PTT體育區 / NBA (美國籃球)

[外絮] John Starks：LBJ加入天賦，MJ讓隊友成長

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (@wojespn)時間1小時前 (2026/03/31 23:17), 1小時前編輯推噓26(26推 0噓 20→)
留言46則, 31人參與, 8分鐘前最新討論串1/1
"LeBron joined talent, MJ raised his guys" - John Starks explains why Jordan w ill always be superior to James in the GOAT debate https://reurl.cc/538Y76 記者Yakshpat Bhargava Players who competed in the 1980s and '90s usually have strong reasons for why Michael Jordan remains untouchable in the GOAT debate, and former Sixth Man o f the Year John Starks fits right into that group. 活躍於1980與90年代的球員，通常對於MJ為何在 GOAT討論中不可撼動有著強烈的堅持， 前紐約尼克後衛John Starks正是其中之一。 The former New York Knicks guard made his stance clear when he explained why, in his eyes, LeBron James - with all his historic achievements and longevity - can not surpass "His Airness" at the top of the all-time discussions. 這位前紐約尼克後衛明確表達了他的立場，他解釋了為何在他眼中，即便LeBron James擁 有一切歷史性的成就與長青的職業生涯，在史上最佳地位的討論中，仍無法超越「籃球之 神」。 Starks says LeBron chose talent over growing players Starks表示：LBJ選擇現成的天賦，而非陪伴球員成長 During Mike's prime years in the '80s and '90s, his priorities were straight. Even though the five-time MVP was underpaid for a large part of his career, ev en early exits from the playoffs never shifted his focus from bringing champio nships to Chicago. He did have to wait for a quality No. 2 in Scottie Pippen a nd the coaching acumen of Phil Jackson to use the triangle offense to maximize Jordan's scoring prowess to build a dynasty. 在MJ於80和90年代的巔峰時期，他的目標非常明確。儘管這位五屆最有價值球員（MVP） 在職業生涯的大部分時間裡薪水都偏低，甚至早期遭遇季後賽出局的挫折，也從未動搖過 他為芝加哥奪冠的專注力。他選擇等待優質的二號人物Scottie Pippen成長，並配合總教 練Phil Jackson的執教智慧，運用「三角戰術」將MJ的得分能力發揮到極致，進而打造出 公牛王朝。 To Starks, what truly separated Mike from all the other greatest was his tende ncy to push his teammates. The latter was never dishonest about his expectatio ns from everyone around him and made sure to push them enough to see their pro duction improve, helping the Bulls dominate two separate three-peats. 對Starks而言，真正將MJ與其他偉大球員區分開來的，是他激發隊友潛能的傾向。後者（ MJ）對身邊每個人的期望從不虛偽掩飾，並確保給予隊友足夠的壓力以提升他們的場上表 現，進而幫助公牛統治了兩次獨立的三連霸時期。 On the "Strong Talk" podcast, John explained the key reason why he'd never ran k LBJ over MJ, arguing that the Akron native consistently chose to join teams with elite talent rather than elevate teammates in the same way Jordan did. 在《Strong Talk》Podcast節目中，John解釋了他絕不會將LBJ排在MJ之上的關鍵原因； 他主張這位來自Akron的球星(LBJ）始終選擇加入擁有頂尖人才的球隊，而不是像MJ那樣 提升隊友的水準。 Whether it was joining Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, returning when Kyr ie Irving arrived in Cleveland, or bringing Anthony Davis to the Lakers at the cost of young assets, those decisions showed LeBron preferred to position him self in the most favorable environments instead of staying put and building a championship from scratch, as per Starks. 根據Starks的說法，無論是前往邁阿密與Dwyane Wade及Chris Bosh聯手、在Kyrie Irvin g成長茁壯之際重返克里夫蘭，還是以犧牲年輕資產為代價將Anthony Davis帶到湖人，這 些決定都顯示出LBJ更傾向於將自己置於最有利的環境中，而不是堅守原地並從零開始打 造冠軍球隊。 "Michael was just different, bro. He was just a different animal. It's like yo u can throw some kid and be like, 'He's different than everybody else.' That's Michael. His mentality, his will to overcome anything out there on the court. He was a very intelligent player. The Last Dance… it shows what great player s do for other players that's not on his level, where he pushed them to get to his level… He had to get his team up to his level in order for them to break through," Starks said. Starks：MJ就是與眾不同，兄弟。他簡直是另一個層次的生物。就像你隨便指著一個小孩 說：他跟其他人都不一樣。那就是MJ。他的心態、他在場上克服一切的意志力，他是一位 非常聰明的球員。紀錄片《最後一舞》就展示了偉大球員是如何對待那些水準不如他的隊 友——他會逼迫他們達到他的層次，他必須把整支球隊提升到他的水準，他們才能實現突 破。 "Michael made his teammates better because he grew them. He grew Scottie Pippe n, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong. LeBron really didn't grow nobody. He joined tal ent. You know what I mean? Talent had to come to him," the retired guard added . MJ讓他的隊友變得更好，因為他伴隨他們成長。他帶領了Pippen、Horace Grant、BJ Arm strong的成長。而LBJ基本上沒帶大過任何人，他只是加入有天賦的球隊。你懂我意思嗎 ？是天賦必須主動向他靠攏。 James' approach shouldn't be criticized LBJ的模式不應受到批評 Now, while some people viewed MJ's aggressive leadership as intimidating or ev en harsh, players like Stark saw things differently - he found it inspiring. B ut Starks' admission does raise a point - should James' approach be criticized ? 雖然有些人認為MJ那種極具侵略性的領導風格令人感到畏懼，甚至是刻薄，但像Starks這 樣的球員卻有不同的看法——他覺得那種風格極具啟發性。不過Starks的坦率直言也提出 了一個觀點：LBJ的模式真的應該受到批評嗎？ There's no rulebook for how a GOAT candidate must build a resume. LeBron's dec isions were shaped by a career spent under constant comparison, immense expect ations and the pressure to win immediately. So, wanting the best teammates and best environment does not invalidate the greatness he has achieved. 對於一位GOAT候選人該如何打造其職業生涯履歷，其實並沒有統一的準則，LBJ的決定， 是源於他職業生涯長期處於不斷被比較、承載巨大期望以及「必須贏在當下」的壓力之下 。因此，追求最好的隊友與理想的環境，並不會抹滅他所取得的偉大成就。 Both approaches resulted in extraordinary results, but Starks (among many othe rs) sees only one as worthy of the top spot in the GOAT debate. 這兩種截然不同的模式都取得了非凡的成果，但在Starks（以及許多人）眼中，只有其中 一種方式才配得上GOAT爭論中的最高地位。 短評或心得： 兩人的模式有所不同 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.45.188.66 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1774970235.A.671.html ※ 編輯: Wojnarowski (114.45.188.66 臺灣), 03/31/2026 23:19:16
推
03/31 23:18, 1小時前 , 1F
不如意+1
03/31 23:18, 1F
推
03/31 23:19, 1小時前 , 2F
LBJ真正MVP的地方是幫一堆LBJ之友簽大約
03/31 23:19, 2F
→
03/31 23:20, 1小時前 , 3F
MJ打磨你的球技 LBJ打磨你的合約 誰兌現能力高 山羊
03/31 23:20, 3F
→
03/31 23:20, 1小時前 , 4F
BJ4
03/31 23:20, 4F
推
03/31 23:20, 1小時前 , 5F
實話啊 沒大腿的話 腿詹終生無冠 這誰都知道吧
03/31 23:20, 5F
→
03/31 23:21, 1小時前 , 6F
Lbj可以去爭取組團狗特，然後再來抱怨上帝都給他最
03/31 23:21, 6F
→
03/31 23:21, 1小時前 , 7F
難的奪冠之路
03/31 23:21, 7F
推
03/31 23:21, 1小時前 , 8F
老詹如果走MJ路線 恐怕一冠難求
03/31 23:21, 8F
→
03/31 23:21, 1小時前 , 9F
最簡單就是 MJ跑去跟歐拉 馬龍組一隊 會只拿到可憐
03/31 23:21, 9F
→
03/31 23:22, 1小時前 , 10F
到不行的二連霸而已嗎
03/31 23:22, 10F
推
03/31 23:22, 1小時前 , 11F
說的蠻好的
03/31 23:22, 11F
→
03/31 23:22, 1小時前 , 12F
AR: 我成長輸BJ Armstrong嗎？
03/31 23:22, 12F
→
03/31 23:24, 1小時前 , 13F
姆咪會嫌隊友差 但姆斯卻是一隊換過一隊
03/31 23:24, 13F
推
03/31 23:24, 1小時前 , 14F
還好在熱火沒讓他三連霸
03/31 23:24, 14F
推
03/31 23:25, 1小時前 , 15F
霸凌說成教育成長 讚
03/31 23:25, 15F
推
03/31 23:26, 1小時前 , 16F
紅光頭連一個亞軍都沒有 怎麼比得上姆斯
03/31 23:26, 16F
推
03/31 23:30, 1小時前 , 17F
喇叭七年作弊組團還輸，老喬七年慢慢帶隊拿冠，高下
03/31 23:30, 17F
→
03/31 23:30, 1小時前 , 18F
立見
03/31 23:30, 18F
推
03/31 23:31, 1小時前 , 19F
Per124逐年列出幾乎只有恐怖而已
03/31 23:31, 19F
→
03/31 23:34, 1小時前 , 20F
高下立判
03/31 23:34, 20F
推
03/31 23:35, 1小時前 , 21F
確實 東抱抱西抱抱 然後被東虐西虐
03/31 23:35, 21F
推
03/31 23:35, 1小時前 , 22F
樂邦的對手都是冠軍 反觀MJ的對手都是亞軍
03/31 23:35, 22F
推
03/31 23:39, 1小時前 , 23F
蝦說什麼大實話 你懂籃球嗎
03/31 23:39, 23F
推
03/31 23:39, 1小時前 , 24F
[外絮] LBJ:當年去邁阿密離開舒適圈，需強大心態
03/31 23:39, 24F
推
03/31 23:40, 1小時前 , 25F
這不是讓大猩猩沒冠的咖嗎
03/31 23:40, 25F
推
03/31 23:42, 1小時前 , 26F
MJ是歷史第一人無可動搖。但LBJ不組團奪冠也不可能
03/31 23:42, 26F
→
03/31 23:42, 1小時前 , 27F
爬到第二人的位置。
03/31 23:42, 27F
推
03/31 23:43, 1小時前 , 28F
騎士1.0有大歐北莫Jamison米粉頭 天賦滿滿 被姆迷嫌
03/31 23:43, 28F
→
03/31 23:43, 1小時前 , 29F
得一無是處
03/31 23:43, 29F
推
03/31 23:45, 1小時前 , 30F
因為這些人扶不起阿斗拿冠啊,只能酸了
03/31 23:45, 30F
→
03/31 23:45, 1小時前 , 31F
真把你扶起了,還不是把功勞全拿,說單核奪冠 -.-
03/31 23:45, 31F
→
03/31 23:46, 1小時前 , 32F
就算8分8籃板,也不是拿你詹姆斯口袋的任何一毛錢
03/31 23:46, 32F
推
03/31 23:47, 1小時前 , 33F
姆咪這幾天好不容易回了點血…
03/31 23:47, 33F
→
03/31 23:49, 1小時前 , 34F
回啥血,刷弱隊的成績也在自high -.-
03/31 23:49, 34F
推
03/31 23:49, 1小時前 , 35F
鵝？j個不就跟那個誰說搭直升機的比喻有異曲同工之
03/31 23:49, 35F
→
03/31 23:49, 1小時前 , 36F
妙=3=
03/31 23:49, 36F
→
03/31 23:51, 1小時前 , 37F
老詹，要是mj 那個年代，可能紅色光頭一冠都沒有
03/31 23:51, 37F
推
03/31 23:51, 1小時前 , 38F
復出9勝1敗 回血回到爆血了好嗎 沾蒜還關在弱隊廁
03/31 23:51, 38F
→
03/31 23:51, 1小時前 , 39F
所出不去快笑死
03/31 23:51, 39F
推
03/31 23:54, 1小時前 , 40F
最好笑的是 姆斯靠抱腿去一堆有天賦的球隊才有冠軍
03/31 23:54, 40F
→
03/31 23:54, 1小時前 , 41F
結果這些球星還被姆咪嫌的一無是處
03/31 23:54, 41F
→
03/31 23:54, 1小時前 , 42F
連PER124都能嫌 結果是姆斯被打到先烙跑 笑死
03/31 23:54, 42F
推
03/31 23:55, 59分鐘前 , 43F
1冠都還沒有,就寧願8分釋球權了,你看這人多自私
03/31 23:55, 43F
推
03/31 23:58, 56分鐘前 , 44F
某族群一直造謠一直爽
03/31 23:58, 44F
推
04/01 00:00, 54分鐘前 , 45F
最近生活不如意的人真多
04/01 00:00, 45F
推
04/01 00:46, 8分鐘前 , 46F
BIG膽！生活不如意？
04/01 00:46, 46F
‣ 更多 Wojnarowski 的文章
文章代碼(AID): #1fo-LxPn (NBA)
NBA 近期熱門文章
更多 近期熱門文章 >>
PTT體育區 即時熱門文章
更多 即時熱門文章 >>
‣ 更多 Wojnarowski 的文章
文章代碼(AID): #1fo-LxPn (NBA)