[閒聊] Javy Vazquez

看板NY-Yankees作者 (金湯米)時間16年前 (2010/05/04 13:23), 編輯推噓46(46067)
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以下是 Frankie Piliere 對 Javy 投球機制的分析 http://0rz.tw/SYFXA ==== The way he's delivering the ball, he's throwing against his front leg, rather than driving over the top of it and getting on top of the baseball. Again, Vazquez always has and more than likely always will collapse on his back leg and drift toward the plate. But, recently it's just gotten away from him. Because he's unable to drive over that front leg and get on top, he's forced to rotate around his torso and shoulders, creating more of a side-to-side effect than a downhill effect. What that turn of his shoulders does to the pitch after it leaves his hand is what's directly leading to all those mistake fastballs and rolling curveballs over the fat part of the plate. As his front side drifts toward the plate, his lead shoulder is going with it and opening up much too early. The impact of that is a nearly squared up upper body facing home plate, making it almost impossible for Vazquez to get the extension he needs to get the ball to the outside corner against righties, and the inside corner on lefties. With that front shoulder wide open, he's getting around his pitches rather than on top, causing the ball to repeatedly leak way back toward the middle of the plate. Not to mention, he's giving the hitters a very good look at the ball and his pitches are coming in on a flat plane. Pitchers need that good downward angle to stay out of the middle of the plate, and get the bite on the breaking ball and sinking fastball. By doing this, he's also robbing himself of a couple ticks on his fastball, for those out there wondering why his fastball has been more like 87-91 mph rather than 90-92 mph this season. As early as he is right now with his lower half, he's robbing himself of a great deal of leg drive, and when you are getting around the ball rather than on top, you are losing that raw velocity and downward action in favor of excessive arm-side run, which of course leads to mistakes over the plate. All of his pitches, particularly the curveball, are suffering from this mechanical issue. ==== Frankie Piliere 提到 Javy 的投球機制的改變,以及造成球速下降以及容易被打長打 的原因。(詳細的機制就請看得懂得大大幫忙解說吧@"@) 文中也提到,即使知道原因要改也是不容易的事情 (It's a nagging mechanical issue , and despite being not so hard to identify it's very difficult to correct and keep in check on a consistent basis.) 希望跳過這次先發可以讓 Javy 改正回來...下次先發的對手老虎隊也不會比襪襪好打 多少..... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.143.158.106

05/04 13:30, , 1F
所以Vaz是出手姿勢跑掉?
05/04 13:30, 1F

05/04 13:36, , 2F
投教都要等被打爆才能發現姿勢跑掉嗎 = =
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05/04 13:37, , 3F
投教跟TB的西瓜差不多....(誤)
05/04 13:37, 3F
欸.....我們的投教並不是沒在做事情的... 其他投手我不清楚,只拿 Boone Logan 為例子好了.. 以下是 Ken Rosenthal 的報導部份摘錄 http://0rz.tw/xizWt As if the Yankees need more help, club officials are excited about left-handed reliever Boone Logan, the second player they acquired in the Javier Vazquez trade. Logan, who throws 91-94 mph, is benefiting from a mechanical adjustment that pitching coach Dave Eiland suggested in spring training. Eiland asked Logan to lift his leg higher in his delivery and throw from more of a downhill plane, enabling his arm to get out front. Logan noticed an immediate difference — his four-seam fastball started moving in on left-handed hitters instead of tailing back over the plate. His changeup returned, and his slider gained late movement. Boone Logan 的圖片 http://riveraveblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Logans-leg.jpg
雖然目前為止小樣本,不過看他在小聯盟的成績,以及最近出賽有飆到95~97mile,有 蠻不錯的改善....不能說 Dave Eiland 都沒有在做事.... ※ 編輯: genteme 來自: 220.143.158.106 (05/04 13:49)

05/04 13:44, , 4F
這個投教跟西瓜差不多與打教有天壤之別(無誤)
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05/04 13:46, , 5F
打教真的不錯 還到府服務~
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05/04 13:47, , 6F
其他四個SP都有王牌的架勢 瓦哥的問題怪罪投教不公平
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05/04 13:48, , 7F
不能說好的都是投手自己 不好的都是投教沒本事吧
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05/04 13:51, , 8F
好的是捕手...
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05/04 13:51, , 9F
大家都忘了 其實是斧頭幫賣假貨...
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05/04 14:01, , 10F
還在勇士賣假貨......Vazquez根本不是勇士出身的....
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05/04 14:16, , 11F
救不起葛格Eiland就該判死刑了...
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05/04 14:16, , 12F
就算洋基牛棚用得很棒, Hughes教得不錯都功不抵過...
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05/04 14:26, , 13F
樓上說這什麼話,Wang有傷勢是要怎救,投教又不是醫師
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05/04 14:29, , 14F
判死刑咧 這年頭網路發言都出一張嘴就好
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05/04 14:29, , 15F
我只是解讀上位數位西瓜說的心聲而已...
05/04 14:29, 15F

05/04 14:42, , 16F
前面是有誰扯到Wang了..zzzz
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05/04 14:45, , 17F
嘴砲王
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05/04 14:46, , 18F
danny789:其實Eiland 是派來的臥底... 06/16 08:02
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05/04 14:46, , 19F
這是回溯的推文...
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05/04 14:47, , 20F
推danny789:只要Fire Eiland, Joba 就會正常了 06/16
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05/04 14:48, , 21F
我有沒有說出他的心聲啊! 呵呵...
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05/04 14:48, , 22F
...........真無聊 還找一年前的東西出來講
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05/04 15:09, , 23F
會無聊嗎??我到覺得很有趣呢,想想洋基現在的投手水準
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05/04 15:10, , 24F
,結果還是有人能怪東怪西的,真是欲加之罪何患無辭.
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05/04 15:16, , 25F
也許好還要更好?
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05/04 15:21, , 26F
Vazquez根本是台灣乙組選手 集氣
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05/04 15:29, , 27F
想不到我說Eiland是西瓜會被抓出來鞭屍@@老實說他是
05/04 15:29, 27F

05/04 15:30, , 28F
是有其長處,但對於低潮的投手顯然很無助,不過投教如
05/04 15:30, 28F

05/04 15:32, , 29F
果對低潮投手無解(如去年初對Hughes的態度)只搭順風
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05/04 15:33, , 30F
車,球隊真的對他只有這樣的要求?
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05/04 15:34, , 31F
而且對投手的使用方式很成功,我認為是吉總的調度居功
05/04 15:34, 31F

05/04 15:35, , 32F
我說他西瓜是與打教LONG比較,CANO打擊很差時不離不棄
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05/04 15:37, , 33F
還到府服務(據說住的不太好)很有責任感,當然可能我對
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05/04 15:37, , 34F
看來我可以寫信去罵我國小老師為甚麼沒讓我上哈佛了
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05/04 15:37, , 35F
投教要求太高@@~~~
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05/04 15:37, , 36F
科科...Eiland會對牛棚投手記錄球數...Girardi完全依
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05/04 15:38, , 37F
不是說教練代表一切,球員自己也要努力,像腿弟今年的
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05/04 15:38, , 38F
照Eiland建議派牛棚投手上場...Eiland在3a時就這樣作
05/04 15:38, 38F
還有 35 則推文
05/04 23:53, , 74F
直接去自由市場再抓一隻好物就行了...= =
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05/04 23:55, , 75F
要找好投教 好物穿了斑馬衣也可能爆炸
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05/04 23:56, , 76F
投教比較省錢 ~~~
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05/05 02:48, , 77F
說投教好 我實在看不出來好在哪 當年他上來是為了3A
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05/05 02:50, , 78F
的幾個小將 總統賣掉了 張火球的火越來越小啪 大帝越
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05/05 02:51, , 79F
來越穩 3個也就成功了一個這算稱職嗎
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05/05 02:54, , 80F
要扯王也可以 當鄉民看出王的姿勢走樣時投教沒看出
05/05 02:54, 80F

05/05 02:56, , 81F
還有一些為酸而酸的當時還替投教說話 結果呢 美國方
05/05 02:56, 81F

05/05 02:57, , 82F
面的MLB節目硬是找出王的姿勢差異對比 這時候Eiland
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05/05 02:58, , 83F
才改口應該是傷勢影響姿勢導致投的不好
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05/05 03:15, , 84F
Eiland在一開始就對媒體講過葛格的arm slot有差了
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05/05 03:18, , 85F
另外對於投手新秀來說,三個能夠成功一個就很好了
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05/05 03:19, , 86F
全聯盟top50的投手新秀,還養不出1/3咧...
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05/05 03:20, , 87F
當初Eiland春訓結束就講了葛格姿勢有變,結果沒什麼
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05/05 03:20, , 88F
人看啊...
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05/05 03:24, , 89F
投教打教本來就是消耗品,不然當他們是小叮噹嗎-_-
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05/05 03:24, , 90F
不知不覺Joba和Hughes也正在丟第三年年資了
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05/05 03:25, , 91F
第一輪能活過三年的也不過48.7%
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05/05 03:26, , 92F
三明治選進來的能否活過三年(Joba)比例一下就掉到36%
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05/05 03:26, , 93F
搖頭老爹也是個名投教,他也是有救不起來的人啊-_-
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05/05 03:29, , 94F
你要不要先去查一查當時Eiland要王姿勢要怎麼調整
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05/05 03:32, , 95F
他要王"手臂抬高點" MLB節目比對的則是王的放球點
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05/05 03:33, , 96F
比19勝時高 最近國民比對的依舊是王的放球點過高
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05/05 03:34, , 97F
如果你要說這也算Eiland有指出過王的arm slot有差 那
05/05 03:34, 97F

05/05 03:34, , 98F
或許也算吧 >~.~<
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05/05 03:35, , 99F
Joba自從2008受傷以後 速球就幾乎沒有到100了...
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05/05 03:36, , 100F
跟投教沒關係....大聯盟一堆傷後速度回不來的...
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05/05 03:36, , 101F
不能全怪投教吧...
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05/05 03:38, , 102F
....arm slot is one thing while release point is
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05/05 03:38, , 103F
another....
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05/05 03:42, , 104F
我不知道N大秀英文是什麼用意 但是我想這裡的中文可
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05/05 03:42, , 105F
以解釋得很清楚 http://tinyurl.com/26dlyfm
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05/05 03:43, , 106F
你要不要拿那兩個字去google一下?
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05/05 03:53, , 107F
Eiland要葛格手臂抬高點...?
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05/05 04:36, , 108F
不好意思 時間久了點 原文資料找不到 只找到記者訪問
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05/05 04:46, , 110F
另外 這是再翻資料時順帶在NYYFans翻到的一篇關於投
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05/05 04:48, , 111F
教的討論Eiland稱不稱職 在國外也有爭議的
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12/28 13:54, 7年前 , 113F
車,球隊真的對他只有這 https://daxiv.com
12/28 13:54, 113F
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