Re: [情報] Chad Ford's Draft grades
看板PACERS (印第安那 溜馬)作者pheather ( ゜д ゜)時間16年前 (2009/06/26 20:02)推噓16(16推 0噓 19→)留言35則, 10人參與討論串2/3 (看更多)
※ 引述《larson (哉哉)》之銘言:
: http://tinyurl.com/knxky6
Chad Ford 今年的選秀評價給得滿客氣的,幾乎都在 A~B 附近,只有湖人領了 D
(只有 #59 有啥好說的,#29 在豪華稅上限以上也只會造成負擔),還有灰狼領了 C+?
#5 和 #6 同時選兩個樂透區 PG 是有點奇怪,原本可能是預期 Rubio 會在 #3 或 #4
被選走,而用 #5 和 #6 選個 Jonny Flynn + Tyreke Evans/James Harden 的組合
組合雖然奇怪,不過交易手腕應該是滿成功的
回到自家評價,雖然 Chad Ford 給了中間的評價,其他家就很慘了…
去年好像也是差不多的情況:
NBADraft.net
http://draftday.nbadraft.net/node/7960
Picks: #13 Tyler Hansbrough, #52 A.J. Price Grade: C-
Indiana remained true to their conservative ways, which has to be frustrating
for fans hoping for a contender. Hansbrough has the chance to be a nice
player for years. His heart and knack for scoring should keep him in the
league for a long time. But the 13th pick just seems about 10 spots too high.
Price probably would have went undrafted and wasn't the best point guard on
the board.
溜馬堅持著他們的保守路線,這會讓冀望成為一隻有競爭力勁旅的球迷們感到沮喪。
Hansbrough 有機會在數年內成為一位好球員。他的心臟和得分技巧能讓他在聯盟中
生存好一段時間。但 13 順位選他還是高了約 10 個順位。Price 本來很有可能會落
選,而他也不是當時檯面上可選的最佳 PG。
HoopsWorld
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13096
Draft Losers
INDIANA PACERS: Who am I to doubt Larry Bird? But Tyler Hansbrough with the
13th pick? That's way too high. As the Pacers trying to remain mediocre for
years to come? Several teams warmed up to Hansbrough throughout the workouts,
but he hardly will inspire an Indiana fan base that has grown apathetic.
Hansbrough is undoubtedly a hard worker, but hustle will only take you so far
in the NBA. How, I wonder, is he ever going to get that clunky shot off
against NBA power forwards and centers?
我是哪根蔥膽敢質疑傳奇人物大鳥?但 13 號籤選 Tyler Hansbrough ?實在太高了
。溜馬打算繼續這樣不上不下好幾年嗎?有幾隻球隊在測試中炒熱了 Hansbrough 的
身價,但他很難令日漸冷漠的溜馬球迷們感到激動。 Hansbrough 毋庸置疑的是個認
真的球員,但唯有夠狠才能在 NBA 生存。我很懷疑他還能在 NBA 的中前鋒頭上投進
那些古怪的投籃嗎?
RealGM
http://tinyurl.com/lvg7wr
Bad Draft
Indiana Pacers : Wow. There really are not any words for the team with Mike
Dunleavy and Troy Murphy taking Tyler Hansbrough in the lottery. There are
rumors that they are looking to move TJ Ford, and they certainly picked the
wrong draft to want a PF in the lottery, well, unless they wanted Jon
Brockman Version 0.7. Poor, poor Danny Granger.
哇,有 Mike Dunleavy 和 Troy Murphy 的球隊在樂透區選了漢堡,真是無話可說。
有傳聞談到他們想賣 T.J. Ford,而他們肯定挑錯了樂透區 PF 的人選,除非他們想
要的只是 Jon Brockman 0.7 版。可憐的 Danny Granger。
Yahoo! Sports
http://tinyurl.com/lgmnjy
LOSER: Indiana Pacers
Only time will tell on every pick, but as hard a worker and as good a guy and
as big a winner and so on and so forth that Tyler Hansbrough is, how he winds
up the 13th pick of the draft is a mystery.
只有時間才能分辨每個選秀的價值,但這麼一個認真、和善、勝利者……諸如此類的
Tyler Hansbrough 為什麼會是第 13 順位還真是個謎。
The Pacers have put a premium on character, but Hansbrough is a classic
tweener. At 6-8 he isn’t big enough to guard power forwards and isn’t quick
enough to guard small forwards. He scored a million points in college but
also benefitted from getting nearly every call (which will end on Day 1 in
the NBA) and hitting strange-trajectory shots (that will be swatted on Day 1
in the NBA).
溜馬非常注重人格特質,但 Hansbrough 是個典型的 tweener。六呎八吋,要防 PF 不
夠高,要防 SF 不夠快。他在大學時代得了一拖拉庫的分數,但那得利於哨音 (在他進
入 NBA 第一天就沒有這種待遇) ,以及投中一些軌道奇特的投籃 (在他進入 NBA 第一
天就會被搧出去)。
They probably could’ve gotten him later in the first round. Of course,
college broadcaster Dick Vitale said Hansbrough would average 14 points a
game. Fourteen? Do D-League stats count?
也許在首輪後面一些都還選得到他。當然,大學播報員 Dick Vitale 說 Hansbrough
能場均得個 14 分。14 分?D-League 的分數算嗎?
SI.com
http://tinyurl.com/nq5kee
Potential Losers
PACERS -- Tyler Hansbrough will probably have a long NBA career. He will
collect NBA paychecks well into his 30s and retire a wealthy man. His work
ethic is unquestioned, and Pacers coach Jim O'Brien loves players with a
strong motor. But Hansbrough doesn't have the size or explosiveness to thrive
at power forward. He seems like a fourth big man in a rotation playing a
limited role. That's not what you are looking for at No. 13, not when
potential high-upside players like Earl Clark and Holiday are still on the
board.
Tyler Hansbrough 也許會有個挺長的 NBA 生涯。在他三十歲的時候,他會得到一些
支票,以有錢人的身份退休。他的工作態度毋庸置疑,而溜馬教練 Jim O'Brien 喜歡
有強烈上進心的球員。但他缺乏在 PF 位置生存的體型和爆發力。他像是陣容中的第
四長人,只能扮演有限的角色。而那不會是你希望在第 13 順位希望的,特別是高潛
力的球員如 Earl Clark 和 Holiday 還在檯面上的時候。
果然除了 Chad Ford 之外都沒有什麼好話。
去年用 Jerryd Bayless 換 Brandon Rush 好像也是差不多的情形,放過一個樂透區掉
下來的明星 PG 潛力股,去換來一個「可能有機會成為不錯綠葉」的球員,去年的 Rush
選前的身價比今年的漢堡還要更低,一開始都預估在二輪前中段中選,後來不知怎的一
路爬到首輪末……但當時應該沒有人覺得用 #13 (其實是 #11) 選他是合理的。而因為
那是選來之後又交易掉 (儘管後來知道是事前談好的),所以看來格外的蠢,Bayless 在
夏季聯盟大殺四方的表現,更讓這樁交易顯得蠢到無以復加。
但後來的發展似乎沒有那麼悲觀,儘管無法知道沒交易的話有沒有可能會更好,但 Rush
在下半季也打出了大家的期待。希望今年漢堡也可以證明自己。
我覺得 #13 選漢堡太高云云,其實沒有很大的意義。就算 #13 選漢堡太高,他的身價
「應該」在 #23 左右,姑且不論這個身價高低是怎麼訂、誰訂的 ,我們手上就是只有
#13 籤,只要確定他是我們要的球員,而我們用手上的籤選了他,這不就結了嗎?
如果手腕漂亮一點,向下交易弄到一點添頭,比方說 Rumor 傳的 #13 <=> #16 + #26
那當然很好,但漢堡還是同樣一個漢堡,不會因為 #13 選他太高,就有更大的機會變成
bust,也不會因為 20 幾順位「偷」到他就有更大機會變成明星。關鍵還是在於球員符
不符合球隊需要,而球隊是怎麼去養成他。
如果有辦法收集到過去幾年選秀的評價,看看那些選秀會上的「贏家」們,那些 steal
,到底在新秀養成上有沒有比那些「輸家」,那些領 C 領 D 的成績來得出色,這想必
會是一個很有趣的 topic。把天才冰在冰箱裡,天才也會變廢物。
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