Re: [外電] The Evolution of Danny Granger

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※ 引述《PiGFAcE (被遺忘在沙灘上的腳印)》之銘言：禮拜天進場坐在溜馬邊看了一下快艇對溜馬果不其然旁邊有好多穿溜馬球衣的溜馬迷都窩在球場的一角一開場打的像遊魂一樣禁區被切的很開心後來慢慢的硬起來...後場也 on fire, 最後逆轉了比賽... 看到旁邊一個 31 號球衣, 有點感慨的跟他說... 從 Granger 被交易走, 到了現在, 等了好久 ps. 現場看 Lance 好像又更小隻了感覺他從大約年開始一直在變瘦想到年初差點換了一個 Randle... : 帶大家重新看一下這一篇 : 這篇文章發在 Granger 被交易的一個月前 : 那一天也同時是 Granger 的 Career High - 44 Points 的十天後 : 我想 : 溜馬這一兩年來的荒腔走板 : 包含著阿伯離開溜馬時的憤怒 : 包含著希伯莫名其妙的休息室鬥爭 : 包含舞王留不下來悲哀 : 包含著默默離開換回 Jeff Teague 的小喬 : 包含最後對溜馬完全沒心而離開的大喬 : 一切的一切這崩壞的開始就是來自於 2014 年初這個小葛的交易 : 是我們自己交易掉了後神米時期帶我們走過黑暗的精神接班人 : 回頭看看這篇文章裡面這些球員是多麼的挺小葛 : 真是令人不勝唏噓 : 現在的陣容有點像是當年重建中的溜馬 : 我彷彿看到當時 TJ Ford / Murphy / Dunleavy 來臨的溜馬 : 奕迅會不會是新的小葛呢 ? : 今年的陣容其實有點令人期待 : 至少這些球員的拼勁不錯都想要有自己的舞台 : 陣容再爛只要有拼勁球都不會太難看的 : 遙記得當年那件莫再提... 就算只有六個人 : 就算 Eddie Gill , James Jones, Fred Jones 都得打超過七十場 : 我們還是能打 : 我預期今年的溜馬好看多了 : 至少我會想追每場比賽看看大家會不會拼到第四節逆轉別人 : ※ 引述《k960674 (Kaul)》之銘言： : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : For years, Danny Granger was the solitary ray of sunshine in an otherwise : dreary Pacer landscape. Christened “The Gift” after falling to Larry Bird’ : s waiting arms at the 17th pick in the 2005 Draft, Granger was the talent and : personality upon which the beleaguered franchise and fan base rested their : hopes for salvation. : 已經有好多年了，Danny Granger是那悲慘的溜馬隊中僅存的一絲曙光。在2005年第17順 : 被被選中後，被冠以「恩賜」之名的Granger是溜馬那令人煩惱的陣容與球迷們所寄託希 : 望的救贖所在。 : And hoping for “salvation” isn’t hyperbole. : 而用期待「救贖」兩字並不誇張。 : Years of bad players and bad basketball followed years of bad actors — Ron : Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley — creating a situation where apathy : was welcome relief from outright hatred and contempt. When Larry Bird traded : away Jermaine O’Neal and announced his three-year plan to revive the Pacers, : Danny Granger was to be at the center of the rebirth. : 年復一年由差勁的球員打出差勁的比賽這種爛戲碼——由Ron Artest、Stephen Jackson : 、Jamaal Tinsley這些人主演，製造了一個由徹頭徹尾的厭惡與輕蔑所衍生出來，所有人 : 都冷眼旁觀的處境。當Larry Bird交易掉Jermaine O'Neal並宣布他的三年重建溜馬計劃 : 時，Danny Granger是整個重生的核心。 : Six years later, the rebirth has generated greater results than this writer’ : s wildest hopes. After reaching the Eastern Conference Finals last season, : the Pacers have bolted to the best record in the NBA at 32-7. Indiana has won : two thirds of their regular season games since the lockout — a mark exceeded : by only Miami (.750), San Antonio (.739), and Oklahoma City (.729). If the : Pacers haven’t become the best team in the Association, then you wouldn’t : need all the fingers on one hand to count the ones better. : 六年後，重建有了比不才在下的預料中更好的成果。在上季殺進東區冠軍戰後，溜馬現在 : 擁有全聯盟最好的32勝7敗的成績。在封館之後，溜馬贏得了三分之二的比賽——僅落後 : 給熱火（75%）、馬刺（73.9%）和雷霆（72.9%）。即使溜馬沒有成為本季全聯盟最好的 : 球隊，你也不需要一隻手的所有手指來數那些表現比溜馬優秀的隊伍。 : But Danny Granger’s role in the trip hasn’t been as many of us had expected : — or as Danny himself probably hoped. : 然而，Danny Granger在這趟重建之旅的角色並不如大多數人所預期——或者至少Danny自 : 己本身所期盼的那樣。 : After a rocky start, Granger played arguably as well as he ever had over the : second half of the lockout-shortened 2011-2012 season. He was the leading : scorer on a team that earned the third seed in the East. That team got up 2-1 : to Miami, before succumbing to the superior Heat in the second round. From : there, it took a sour turn for Granger. : 在步履蹣跚的開季表現後，Granger在封館的2011-2012的後半季賽事打出了可能是他生涯 : 最好的表現。他是東區第三種子球隊的頭號得分手。這支球隊曾在季後賽第二輪輸給強敵 : 熱火前以2比1領先他們。從那之後，Granger的命運急轉直下。 : In the preseason entering his eighth year, the University of New Mexico : product felt the pain in his knee worsen, culminating in him departing a : preseason game in Chicago. Days later, the Pacers announced that Granger had : undergone treatment for tendinosis and would miss at least three months. : 在他生涯第八個賽季開始前，這位來自新墨西哥大學的球員感到自己膝蓋的痛苦惡化，最 : 終在季前賽對上公牛時脫隊。幾天之後，溜馬宣布Granger將進行針對肌腱炎的治療並將 : 缺席至少三個月。 : At first, the Pacers missed their star badly, limping to a 3-6 start against : what was considered a relatively light schedule. Concerns deepened when Roy : Hibbert and Paul George struggled to deal with the heightened expectations : placed on them in Danny’s absence. Only the stalwart defense and step-up : efforts from David West and George Hill allowed the Pacers to stay close to : .500 during the opening weeks of the 2012-13 season. : 最初，溜馬擺脫不了Granger缺席的陰霾，在被認為較為輕鬆的賽程中只拿下了3勝6敗。 : 主要是由於Roy Hibbert與Paul George在Danny缺席後背負著相當高期待的兩人打得十分 : 掙扎。多虧了堅強的防守與David West和George Hill跳出來才讓溜馬在2012-13賽季最初 : 的幾周勝率逼近五成。 : However, things began to turn in December. Paul George finally found a : comfort zone, catapulting himself from a player in over his head to All-Star : and Most Improved Player. The defense became historically dominant, Hibbert : settled into his role, and the Pacers took the Miami Heat to seven games in : the Eastern Conference Finals. : 然而，事情在12月開始有了轉機。Paul George終於找到了打球的方式，讓自己從一個球 : 員一躍而升成球星，並且拿下了最佳進步獎。而防守也進化成史詩般的等級，Hibbert充 : 分扮演好自己的角色，而溜馬在東區冠軍戰將熱火逼入第七戰。 : Many came to believe Danny’s absence had been a blessing, allowing Paul : George to blossom the way he did. There’s a strong case for that; a healthy : Granger may have changed PG’s trajectory or, alternately, relieved some of : the pressure that forced the Pacer defense to become the diamond that it is. : However, that doesn’t give proper due to who Paul George and the other men — : coaches and players — in that locker room are. But if it wasn’t a : blessing, at least it showed that the Pacers didn’t miss Granger. : 很多人開始相信Danny的缺席是神之祝福，讓Paul George進化成現在的樣子。舉個例子： : 一個健康的Granger可能會改變PG的成長方向，或者也可能減輕溜馬的進攻壓力讓防守變 : 得像鑽石般堅硬。然而這說法並不適當——考量到Paul George以及他的教練及隊友們在 : 休息室中的表現。但如果這不能算是個祝福，最起碼證明了溜馬並不想念Granger。 : Except, they did. : 然而相反的是，溜馬的確想念他。 : The players missed Danny, even if it didn’t show in the results. Danny : Granger — whether in uniform or not — has remained a part of this Pacer : culture. “[Granger] has been with the team dealing with his injury,” said : David West at last year’s trading deadline. “He’s been around us. It’s : not like we’ve forgotten how he plays. He been around. He’s been in the : locker room. He’s been on the road with us.” : 球員們很想念Danny，儘管從結果中看不出來。Danny Granger，不管是否穿著球衣，都依 : 然是整個溜馬文化的一部分。「Granger在處理傷勢的期間一直跟隨著球隊，」David : West在去年的交易截止日前這樣說著。「他一直在我們左右。我們並沒有忘記他打球的方 : 式。他和我們形影不離。休息室裡看得到他，客場之旅時也陪在我們身旁。」 : Those comments were a part of an exploration of how Granger could be : seamlessly integrated into a winning situation, one we attributed to : chemistry and a common goal. Throughout the discussion, the voice of West — : the team’s unquestioned leader — could be heard clearly. : 這些評價是探索Granger是如何無聲無息地融入這個贏球局面的一部分，一個我們歸因於 : 化學反應和共同目標的成果。在透過討論後，West，這位無庸置疑是球隊領導者人物的言 : 論，可以更清楚地呈現。 : “What we’re going to be with Danny is better than what we are now.” That : is how West concluded the discussion. : 「在有了Danny之後我們會比現在還要好。」West在討論後如此作結。 : Less than a year later, West started a different discussion with these words: : “Danny’s the blowout machine, man.” : 在不到一年後，West以這些話開起一個新的討論：「Danny是臺爆發機器。」 : This discussion came after Saturday night’s 106-92 victory over the visiting : Los Angeles Clippers. It was the Pacers’ 20th double-digit win. For context : on how impressive this is: 20 NBA teams have managed 20 or fewer victories : this season. Danny Granger returned 14 games ago, and 10 of those : double-digit wins have come in those 14 games. : 這個話題是在禮拜六晚上以106比92擊敗快艇後開始的。這是溜馬第20場以雙位數擊敗對 : 手的比賽。有20支NBA球隊目前只有20勝以下，就知道這有多令人印象深刻了。Danny : Granger歸隊了14場比賽，而其中10場比賽溜馬以雙位數擊敗對手。 : “He’s just strengthening absolutely what we have,” said West, “and added : another dimension to this team that opposing teams have to deal with.” : 「他增強了我們現有的實力，」West表示。「並且增加另一個對手需要去提防的點。」 : The Clippers certainly had trouble dealing with it on Saturday. In Danny’s : 26 minutes last night, the Pacers were +16. That brings the total number of : points that Indiana has outscored their foes to 108 in 324 Danny-filled : minutes. That equates to a 16-point advantage over a 48 minute game. : 快艇隊禮拜六無疑地在這方面碰上了麻煩。在Danny昨晚26分鐘的上場時間中，溜馬的正 : 負分是+16。而這樣的正負分值也是個寫照：在Danny上場的324分鐘裡，溜馬多得了對手 : 108分。換算成平均每48分鐘約多得16分。 : Of course, it’s not all Danny. The Pacers’ bench had improved over last year : ’s, with the addition of Luis Scola and C.J. Watson, even before Granger’s : return. Indiana was posting a net efficiency (points by which they outscore : their opponent per 100 possessions) of +6.5 with those two players on the : floor. However, Danny’s impact on the bench is startling. In the 164 minutes : that coach Frank Vogel has been able to put Granger, Scola, and Watson on the : floor together, the Pacer offense has scored 106.5 points per 100 : possessions, while the Pacer defense allowed only 86.2 per hundred. : 當然，這並不Danny一個人帶來的成果。溜馬的板凳在添加了Luis Scola與C.J. Watson後 : ，即使Granger尚未回歸，也比去年要來的進步。溜馬的效率值（平均每100次球權中多得 : 的分數）在這兩位球員上場時是+6.5。不過，Danny帶來的效應令人驚訝。在Frank Vogel : 把Granger、Scola和Watson同時放上場的164分鐘內，溜馬在進攻端平均每100次進攻機會 : 可以得到106.5分，而只讓對手拿下86.2分。 : The Pacers’ starting unit — “The Five” — remains one of the best units : in the league. But, for the last two years, production and efficiency has : dropped precipitously as Vogel sat more of them down. Even this year, the : Pacers have been hurt when they have two or fewer starters on the floor. This : has happened for about one-third of the minutes this season, and the : Blue-and-Gold have eked out a net efficiency of +2.2 (94.7 on offense vs. : 92.5 on D). : 而溜馬的先發「黃金五人」仍然是全聯盟最好的組合。然而在過去兩年，當Vogel讓其中 : 多數球員休息時，輸出與效率變得非常低落。即使是今年，溜馬在讓其中三人以上休息時 : 狀況也很慘。這大概占了本季三分之一左右的時間，而溜馬的效率值僅有+2.2（進攻端 : 94.7，防守端92.5）。 : But breaking that down to “without Danny” and “with Danny” tells a : dramatic story. Take Danny out of the equation and these units are scoring a : paltry 89 per hundred, while giving up almost 96. Put him on the floor, and : the offense skyrockets to more than 105, while the defense constricts to : allow fewer than 87 points for every 100 possessions. : 不過把這狀況分成「Danny沒上場」和「Danny上場」會有驚人的發現。沒有Danny的話其 : 他人在每100次進攻機會中只能拿89分，而且會丟掉96分。把他放在場上，進攻端會躍升 : 至105分，而對手只能拿不到87分。 : To some degree, this was to be expected. Danny Granger had been replaced with : a patchwork collection of wings consisting of Gerald Green, Sam Young, : Solomon Hill, and Orlando Johnson. Even an impaired Granger would be an : upgrade to that assembly. But his presence against second units is almost : unfair, and it’s coming in ways that are more subtle and different than : people expected. : 在某種程度上這是可預期的。Danny Granger的替補是由東拼西湊的側翼組成：Gerald : Green、Sam Young、Solomon Hill和Orlando Johnson。即使是受傷的Granger也可能打得 : 比上述的組合要來得好。但是他和其他隊伍的替補放對是很不公平的，而且他的使用方式 : 比很多人所預期的都還要來得不可思議。 : Against the Clippers, it came when David West was ejected at halftime for : elbowing Blake Griffin. Frank Vogel had a capable reserve in Luis Scola, but : at 33 years old, he could not be expected to play the entire second half. : When Scola picked up his fourth foul with 5 minutes left in the third, Vogel : called on Granger. It wasn’t something that surprised David West. : 在對上快艇的時候，這狀況發生在David West中場因肘擊Blake Griffin被判出場的時候 : 。Frank Vogel有個稱職的替補Luis Scola，但是以他33歲的年紀很難期待他能打滿整個 : 下半場。當Scola在第三節剩5分鐘的時候4犯時，Vogel叫了Granger。David West對此並 : 不感到訝異。 : “He’s got unbelievable size and strength,” said West. “There are only a : few guys that play the small forward position that have that combination. : Carmelo’s one. LeBron’s one. Danny’s one of those guys. Danny’s 240 : pounds, but he can play the perimeter, knock down threes. On most nights, he : can probably match up with most fours — in terms of being able to hold his : ground and force them to score through him.” : 「他有著令人難以置信的體型與力量。」West表示。「只有少數幾個打小前鋒位置的人有 : 這樣的能力。Carmelo是一個。LeBron是一個。而Danny也是其中之一。Danny有著240磅的 : 身材，但是他可以在外圍遊走，投進三分球。在多數時候，他可以應付大部分的四號對手 : ——有辦法限制住他們並讓他們無法輕鬆出手。」 : This wasn’t most nights. Granger was being asked to guard one of the most : dynamic power forwards in the game. Blake Griffin is a handful for anyone. : Griffin was enjoying some success backing Scola down, but the first time he : tried Granger, Danny did not budge. Griffin leaned and bumped but made no : headway, eventually kicking the ball back out in what turned out to be an : empty Clipper possession. Over the final 9 minutes Griffin played while being : guarded primarily by Granger (and briefly by Ian Mahinmi), he managed only 4 : points on 1-for-3 shooting, with just one rebound and one assist. : 這次狀況並不屬於大多數的時候。Granger在比賽中被要求去防守最具威力的大前鋒之一 : 。Blake Griffin對任何人來說都是個麻煩的存在。Griffin享受著背框吃掉Scola的感覺 : ，但當他第一次對Granger故技重施時，Danny絲毫不退讓。Griffin屈身向前頂但沒有進 : 展，最終把球踢出界，快艇這波進攻失敗作收。在最後9分鐘當Griffin在場上並主要由 : Granger防守的時候（一部分由Ian Mahinmi防守），他只有3投1中4分的成績，外加1籃板 : 和1助攻。 : Frank Vogel made a point of it during his opening comments after the game. “ : I was proud of Danny Granger for coming in and playing extended minutes and : playing some at the power forward, which he hadn’t played in a couple years, : really,” Vogel said. “He really battled Blake Griffin, and gave us some : critical, critical minutes in a tough match up.” : Frank Vogel在賽後訪談的開始特別提到了這點。「我對於Danny Granger獲得更多的時間 : 並且負責大前鋒的位置感到驕傲，他真的已經好幾年沒打這個位置了。」Vogel表示。「 : 他和Blake Griffin做了對抗，並且在這個放對中支撐了一段非常重要的時間。」 : Granger, himself, recognizes that the Pacers need him, but not necessarily : the Danny Granger of yesteryear. “You put me in, I can play the four,” he : said after the game. “That’s the type of thing that I bring. I just got so : much experience, so they were waiting for me to come back, and I just wanted : to come back and play.” : Granger自己也認為溜馬需要他，但並不是像去年那般倚重。「你放我上場，我可以打四 : 號。」他在賽後這樣說。「這是我所能貢獻的。我有很多經驗，所以他們為此而等待我回 : 歸，而我也想歸隊並且上場。」 : His desire to be a part of — a contributor to — what is happening with this : franchise is palpable. “Coming off of not having played in a : year-and-a-half, it was to the point where I was just happy to be a part of : it,” Granger said. “Any contribution I can give, I’ll give. I’m : constantly building my game to get back to where I was, but to be able to : come in and help my team, and we win by 20 points almost every night is : awesome.” : 他對於成為這支球隊現況一部分，特別是貢獻的一部分的渴望是很顯而易見的。「從一年 : 半沒有打球的狀況下出發，我對於能夠成為現在這樣的一部分感到很開心。」Granger表 : 示。「任何我能夠提供的貢獻，我都會去做。我正逐漸地找回我的步調，不過能夠上場並 : 且幫助球隊，然後幾乎每場比賽都能贏20分是件非常棒的事情。」 : Now is as good a time as any to draw attention to the fact that — despite : exercising my normal penchant for liberally peppering this post with numbers : — I have not discussed a single individual statistic. I could, but they : really are unimportant here. Just like with David West or George Hill, : individual numbers distract from what is happening with this team. : 現在是注意一個事實的好機會，雖然我的嗜好是在文章中增添些數據，我到現在為止並沒 : 拿出任何數據來討論。我可以，但是那些東西並不重要。就好像David West或是George : Hill的個人數據會讓目前這支球隊的現況失焦一樣。 : Danny Granger has had the career arc of many very good, but not great, : players. They enjoy the praise and adulation during their rise, then the : expectations come. For many players, they reach the point where they are no : longer judged on who or what they are, but on who or what they aren’t. For : Danny, as with most of these players, that often misses the point. Granger’s : teammates understand. : Danny Granger的生涯一直是個非常好，但並非頂級的球員之一。他們先是在崛起的過程 : 中受到讚揚與奉承，而後對他們的期待逐一而至。對大多數的球員來說，他們到了一個「 : 不再被認為成為了哪個人，而被認為成不了哪個人」的處境。對Danny來說，他就好像這 : 些大多數的球員一般，焦點逐漸被模糊了。而Granger的隊友們都很了解。 : “I think Danny’s been one of our best playmakers,” Paul George said when : trying to explain how Danny helps. “He’s been willing to give the ball up : and make plays when he’s had opportunities to be aggressive offensively.” : 「我認為Danny是我們最好的發動者之一。」當Paul George試著解釋Danny帶來的幫助時 : 這樣說著。「當他有機會在進攻端造成威脅時，他會很樂意分享球並策動戰術。」 : Granger, for his part, doesn’t miss being the volume scorer of years past. “ : Yeah, I’ve put up a lot of numbers in the past, but it just killed me not to : be able to win,” Granger said. : Granger自己也並不懷念幾年前自己是主力得分手的時光。「是的，過去我數據刷的不錯 : ，但沒辦法贏球很要人命。」Granger表示。 : Granger heard the questions and concerns coming from outside of the : organization, and it wore on him. He showed a rare flash of frustration after : the Houston game, when asked about concerns that his return would hurt the : team chemistry. However, he wasn’t alone in his contempt for that idea. : David West has openly scoffed at that thought repeatedly over the last year, : going so far as to actually laugh at a reporter who suggested that trading : Danny would help Indiana. West, Frank Vogel, and Paul George all understood : his value and believed in him. Danny is an intelligent young man with a : better, more intimate understanding of this franchise’s evolution than any : of us. : Granger聽到了外界的質疑與關注，而這很折磨他。他在與火箭的賽後被問到是否他的回 : 歸會破壞團隊效應時浮現了一絲失落。然而他並不是唯一蔑視這個問題的人。David West : 去年公開對這種想法表示不屑很多次，甚至嘲笑了表示交易Danny對溜馬比較好的記者。 : West、Frank Vogel以及Paul George都了解他的價值並且信任他。Danny是個聰明的年輕 : 人，並且對於整個陣容的進化有著比我們每個人都要好的了解。 : Danny felt that support. “They knew that I wouldn’t have a problem saying, : ‘OK, Paul, here you go. Go do this thing,’” said Granger. When he : mentioned George, he couldn’t contain his enthusiasm. He went on, “[George] : is a crazy talent…like crazy…you know…like MVP-ish talent. He’s going to : be MVP in one of the next three years, I promise you. We all saw that. We all : see that. It’s like, ‘Paul, this is your show. Take us to where we gotta go. : ’” : Danny也感受到了支持。「他們知道我對於說出『好了，Paul，是你發揮的時候了』之類 : 的話毫無問題。」Granger表示。當他提到George的時候，他沒辦法掩飾自己的興奮。他 : 接著說：「George有著可怕的天賦……就好像，嗯，MVP等級的天賦。他將會在未來三年 : 內拿到MVP，我向你保證。我們過去都見證了，現在也是。這就好像『Paul，這是你的舞 : 台。領導我們前進吧。』」 : Frank Vogel has spent the better part of the last week praising the : sacrifices David West has made — citing them as a big part of the Pacers’ : gaudy record. Danny Granger seems willing — excited even — to make the : same kind of sacrifices. Paul George, for one, doesn’t think people : understand what Danny has done or meant for this season. : Frank Vogel在上周花了不少時間讚揚David West所做的犧牲，將溜馬亮麗的成績很大的 : 一部分歸功於此。Danny Granger看起來很樂意，甚至是很興奮去做同樣的犧牲。Paul : George是個不相信人們了解Danny的所作所為以及其意義的人的其中之一。 : “I think him playing that way, and him having that commitment to just be a : playmaker — a floor general — for us, it really just flows through our : whole offense,” said George. “He has what our offense is all about, and that : ’s playing for one another. I don’t think they’re really giving him credit : where he deserves.” : 「我認為他打球的方式，以及他對於僅做為一個策動戰術的人所做的妥協——一個發動機 : ，對我們而言，這使得我們進攻更為流暢。」George表示。「他代表了我們的進攻模式— : —人人為我，我為人人。我認為外界並沒有給予他應受的褒揚。」 : But, judging by the light in Granger’s eyes after yet another Pacer victory, : numbers and credit — like so many other things that used to seem so : important — don’t really matter any more. What matters in that locker room : is playing for one another. From that, the Pacers would tell you in one : voice, all good things flow. : 然而，從Granger的角度看來，溜馬獲得的勝利、數據以及受到的讚賞，就好像那些過去 : 曾經很重要的東西一樣，都不再有任何意義。真正重要的是全隊都為彼此而努力。從這裡 : 可以斷定，溜馬全隊正異口同聲地告訴你，好事將會接踵而至。 : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : 三天前的文章了，雖然在慘敗後翻出來感覺很奇怪，不過各位還是可以參考看看XD -- =Ptt封神榜2010-請選擇你的守護神= ~娜娜-糾團 ~雨狗-連結 ~鬍子-禮貌 ~MaxLJ--外交 ~柏油-勇氣 ~金寶-傳播 ~硬兔-傲嬌 ~Ｆ７-露點 ~蜜妮-重生 ~山獅-狩獵 ~MoNeNe-遺失 ~鯰姐-自信 ~芳嫂-自我 ~Ｚ９-情報 ~法兒-分享 ~loh--新知 ~ㄌㄔ-預言 ~天空熊-慈祥 ~剝削-藝術 ~鄉長-亂入->瓦哥-白爛 ~KOTD-過氣 ~bccc-除魔 ~小狐-戒嚴 ~傑克零-虔誠 ~5566-帥氣 ~路比-巧取 ~張爸-分身 ~妖西-忌妒 ~now1-釣魚 ~廖震-機八 ~威力踢-博學 ~天哥-經商 ~小雨-經驗 ~鄭公-食子 ~mim--中肯 ~t2d--神算 ~蝦姐-寒冷 ~腋魔俠-迷戀 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 198.101.95.98 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PACERS/M.1522709518.A.05F.html

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