PTT體育區 / PHX-Suns (鳳凰城 太陽)

[外電] A requiem for the S.S.O.L. Era (三)

看板PHX-Suns (鳳凰城 太陽)作者 (台北不是我的家)時間18年前 (2008/06/09 22:20), 編輯推噓37(37推 0噓 51→)
留言88則, 25人參與, 7年前最新討論串1/1
2006 SUNS 2006年的太陽隊 Relevant Details: 54 wins, 108.4 points per game, 102.8 points allowed, .479 FG%, .399 3FG%, 2,097 3s attempted, lost in Western finals (Dallas, six games). 相關數據：54勝，每場平均得分108.4，失分102.8，47.9%投籃命中率，39.9%三分球 命中率，三分球出手次數2,097次，止步於西區冠軍賽(鏖戰六場後輸給達拉斯)。 Eight-Man Rotation: Nash (43.9% 3FG), Marion, Diaw, Barbosa (44.4% 3FG), Raja Bell (44.2%) 3FG, Tim Thomas (42.9% 3FG), Eddie House (38.9% 3FG), James Jones (38.6% 3FG), Kurt Thomas, Stoudemire (injured). 八人輪替陣容：飄髮哥(三分球命中率43.9%)、Matrix、屌爺、小巴(三分球命中率 44.4%)、辣椒標(三分球命中率44.2%)、T.T(三分球命中率42.9%)、Eddie House(三分球命 中率38.9%)、小J.J(三分球命中率38.6%)、K.T、阿罵(受傷)。 Comments: Probably my favorite Suns team because of their 3-point shooting (40 percent on nearly 2,100 attempts?!?!?!?), the playing-bigger-than-we-are thing (inspiring), and the gritty way they responded after losing Amare for the season. Remember, this wasn't a strong year for the league -- Dallas was good, but not that good, and Miami ended up being the weakest champ of any team this decade. Switch Diaw for Johnson, give them Bell and Thomas, make Amare healthy and you're looking at the 2006 champs. 評價：這或許會是我喜愛的太陽隊，因為他們如驟雨般的三分球雨(出手將近2,100還 有四成命中率！！！)，他們顛覆常理硬要以小欺大的(令人振奮)，還有他們面對阿罵整季 報銷卻不輕言放棄的奮戰精神。還記得吧，那年聯盟球隊強度普遍不高 -- 達拉斯不錯， 但說不上出色，而異軍突起的邁阿密則幸運地成為過去十年來最弱的總冠軍隊。如果把屌 爺換回Johnson，加上新加入的辣椒標跟K.T還有健康的阿罵，那'06年冠軍根本是垂手可得 。 (Uh-oh, cue up the ominous "Behind the Music" music.) (喔~喔，來一段象徵不祥預兆的背景音樂吧。) But that summer, everything changed ... 但那個夏天，一切都走調了... Mistake No. 1: For financial reasons, they traded the No. 21 pick (Rajon Rondo) to Boston along with Brian Grant's contract (chopping $1.9 million from their 2007 payroll) for the rights to Cleveland's 2007 first-round pick. This was a double whammy because they acquired that Rondo pick two years before by giving up the No. 7 pick in the 2004 draft (for luxury tax reasons). So if you're scoring at home, they downgraded from "Luol Deng or Andre Iguodala in 2004" to "Rondo in 2006" to "selling the No. 24 pick in 2007 for cash" (we'll get to that in a second) ... which means that, effectively, they traded a No. 7 pick in a loaded draft for $4.9 million. Phoenix fans, you may now light yourselves on fire. 錯誤一：就經濟考量，他們把第21順位選秀權(Rajon Rondo)連同Brian Grant的合約( 此舉可使太陽'07年少付190萬美元的薪資)送到波士頓換取克里夫蘭在'07年的第一輪選秀 權。這是一個雙重打擊，因為Rondo這個選秀權是他們在兩年前用'04年7號簽所換來的(為 了避免被徵收豪華稅)。所以如果你頭腦夠清楚的話，應該能發現他們一路從"'04年的滷蛋 或一鍋大辣"換成"'06年的軟豆"再到"為換取現金而賣出'07年的第24順位選秀權"(別急別 急，我馬上幫你整理成簡單明瞭的算式)...明確地說，他們就是把人才濟濟的強選秀年的7 號簽換成了490萬美元。太陽迷們，看到這邊，你或許已經忍不住引火自焚了。 (What makes that one even more painful: Instead of signing Richardson before the 2004-05 season to a six-year, $42.6 million deal, they could have drafted Deng or Igoudala that summer and paid one of them two-fifths as much as Richardson over that same time frame. One year later, they swapped Richardson and the No. 21 pick in 2005 for Kurt Thomas, who they dumped on Seattle last summer along with two more No. 1's just to get him off their cap. As astounding as this sounds, Bryan Colangelo's decision to sign Richardson instead of drafting Deng or Iguodala -- which was dumb at the time, by the way -- ended up costing them a whopping FOUR FIRST-ROUND PICKS! Would you rather have Richardson, or would you rather have the No. 7 pick in 2004, the No. 21 pick in 2005, and your first-rounders in 2008 and 2010? Hold on, this gets better. Your 2005 NBA Executive of the Year? That's right, Mr. Bryan Colangelo! I love the NBA.) (更可悲的是：要不是'04-'05年球季前以7年總值4,260萬美元的肥約簽下Q-Rich，他 們或許就可以在那個夏天挑選滷蛋或一鍋大辣，而且只要支付他們兩人中的一個五分之二 Q-Rich的薪水就夠了。一年後，他們拿Q-Rich和'05年的21號簽向尼克換取K.T，去年夏天 又為了要擺脫他的巨額薪資而把他送去西雅圖並白白奉送了兩個第一輪選秀權。和這聽起 來一樣令人震驚的是，Bryan Colangelo所做簽下Q-Rich而放棄滷蛋或一鍋大辣的腦殘決策 -- 順帶一提，極其愚蠢 -- 最後導致他們付出了四個首輪選秀權的慘痛代價！你會想要 Q-Rich還是想要'04年的7號簽、'05年的第21位選秀權以及你在'08和'10年的首輪新秀？等 等，更妙的還在後頭。記得'05年NBA年度最佳總管是誰嗎？沒錯，就是咱們家的Bryan Colangelo！我真是愛死NBA了。) Mistake No. 2: They sold the No. 27 pick to Portland (that ended up being Sergio Rodriguez). What's confusing is that they traded/sold those No. 1s for luxury tax reasons, and yet ... 錯誤二：他們把第27順位選秀權賣給波特蘭(那變成了Sergio Rodriguez)。令人費解 的是他們因為避免被徵收豪華稅而把第一輪選秀權半賣半相送出去，結果... Mistake No. 3: Two weeks later, they signed Marcus Banks to a five-year, $24 million deal to back up Nash. Marcus Banks!?!?!? Can you think of a worse guy for NashBall? He can't shoot 3s, he's a career loser, he's never won in college or the pros, it's unclear whether he'd ever accept a reduced role behind a two-time MVP ... let's get him! Why not just draft Rondo at 21 (or Marcus Williams, or Kyle Lowry, or Jordan Farmar) and develop him as a backup for one-fourth the price of Banks? Why not draft Rodriguez at No. 27 and hope he pans out for one-fifth the money? 錯誤三：兩週後，他們用一紙5年總值2,400萬美元的合約簽下銀行以擔任飄髮哥的替 補。銀行！？你能想出一個比他更不適合飄髮哥球風的人嗎？他沒辦法投三分，他是職業 輸家，他從未在大學或職業籃壇成功過，根本就還不確定他是否願意委身擔任兩度年度最 有價值球員的替補...管他三七二十一就簽下他吧！為什麼不用第21順位圈選軟豆(或 Marcus Williams或Kyle Lowry或Jordan Farmar)並支付四分之一銀行的薪水來培養他成為 飄髮哥的替補？為什麼不用第27順位挑選Rodriguez並期待能以銀行薪水的五分之一挖到寶 藏？ (You're lucky I'm not a Suns fan -- I would have written 15 consecutive columns complaining about this paragraph alone. For the life of me, I will never figure out the appeal of Marcus Banks for $24 million. All they had to do was hit one freaking Celtics message board from the '05-'06 season and check one of the 35 "MARCUS BANKS SUCKS" threads. My god.) (你該感到幸運因為我不是一個太陽迷 -- 不然這短短一段話我會用連續15篇專欄來抱 怨。我一輩子都不會認為銀行價值2,400萬美元。他們只要連結到隨便一個'05-'06年球季 的塞爾提克留言板，在35篇名為"去吃屎吧，銀行！"的帖子中點一篇來看就可以了，我的 老天！) Mistake No. 4: Giving Diaw a $45 million, five-year extension before waiting to see if he could co-exist with Amare. Just senseless. He would have been a restricted free agent in the summer of '07 -- why not wait a year and make him play for the contract? (In the biggest non-surprise of the '07 season, Diaw showed up for camp woefully out of shape, proving yet again that you can't trust the French.) Also, would you rather pay $14 million a year to Diaw and Banks or just give that money right to Joe Johnson, the quintessential swingman for the S.S.O.L. Era? I'm telling you, this was a Greek tragedy. 錯誤四：在觀察屌爺能否和阿罵共存前就和他簽下4,500萬美元的延長合約。除了豬腦 袋我找不到更適合的形容詞。他在'07年夏天會變成一個受限自由球員 -- 為什麼不多等一 年，讓他為尋求更好的合約再變身一次？('07年球季最無懸念的事就是屌爺帶著癡肥的體 態出現在訓練營，又一次地證明了千萬不要相信法國人。)而且，你是寧可把1,400萬美元 花在屌爺和銀行身上，還是覺得直接用這筆錢簽下最適合"七秒或更快"的超級搖擺人Joe Johnson比較正確呢？我只能告訴你，這根本是個古希臘式的悲劇。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.118.3.135
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06/09 22:31, , 1F
越看心情越複雜( ￣ c￣)y▂ξ
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越看越生氣...
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06/09 23:07, , 3F
最近的外電真多阿~辛苦了@@
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這幾天的交易真的讓人覺得不妙 真的不知道那年
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可以達成我的心願看到太陽拿下第一座總冠軍
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已經15年了>..<
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上面打錯是這幾"年"
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錯誤一不認同，軟豆直接來太陽有他試身手的機會嗎？
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06/10 00:00, , 9F
真的是越看越生氣= =
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06/10 00:35, , 10F
推滷蛋與一鍋大辣
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熱火是10年內最弱的總冠軍?不能噓嗎
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06/10 00:48, , 12F
怎麼不說是老人們眾志成城的典範
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06/10 00:58, , 13F
是真的是最弱的~蠻中肯的
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很弱 OK 但是拿到金盃了啊 阿這裡呢? 所以更弱?
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強弱是這樣說了就算嗎
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黑~你在太陽版降說太陽我真的不是很喜歡~沒人要拿太
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06/10 01:22, , 17F
陽出來比ok???但是文中說冠軍隊伍中就這支是最弱的
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06/10 01:22, , 18F
就這幾年看起來~大部分人都覺得還蠻中肯的~你護航太
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06/10 01:23, , 19F
過了你
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06/10 01:25, , 20F
你如果跟隨大O過來~不喜歡太陽就別批評~這是隊版
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06/10 01:34, , 21F
某B來亂的嗎 這篇是翻譯你噓個屁
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而且你自己都承認弱了你在叫囂個勁?
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那一段是照原外電所翻譯的 所以請冷靜一下
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對不起 我沒有反對太陽的意思 我也知道不是原PO亂翻
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只是不覺得中肯 大部分人真的覺得中肯嗎?
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06/10 01:46, , 26F
我看酸的成分或眼紅的成分居多吧
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就跟現在一堆XX輸球就是爽一樣 XX是真的強
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06/10 01:48, , 28F
只是看他們冠軍多不爽罷了 大家都心知肚明
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你如果覺得別人拿冠軍是運氣好 那我們拿冠軍的話
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06/10 01:50, , 30F
別人又會怎麼說 賽到啦!省錢也能拿冠軍~
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06/10 01:51, , 31F
不會選秀又沒替補的隊伍也可以拿冠軍喔
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別人會說：太陽將是10年內最省錢的總冠軍~~XD
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應該說省小錢(選秀.老將)卻亂花大錢(Bank.Diaw)才罵
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XDD 怎麼沒人帶頭開始罵 Fuck you！Byran Coxxxxx！?
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06/10 09:46, , 35F
當然該罵,但是迎來了nash算是立了大功,所以後來一連
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串亂賣選秀權在當時並非人人喊打,我印象深刻的是那時
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後,有些人就認為要爭取即戰力奪冠,沒時間養新秀
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至於Sarver...沒啥大功只有大過,當然被罵的很慘
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如果今年撿Gasol是我們,相信大家也會奉Sarver為神吧
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bobsorcerer不塊是有名的熱火迷都不鳥迷XD
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"邁阿密則幸運地成為過去十年來最弱的總冠軍隊"
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你不爽的明明就是這句 難怪說酸跟眼紅了
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06/10 10:37, , 43F
沒人在酸ok?你又扯太陽做啥???你不喜歡太陽你可以不
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06/10 10:37, , 44F
不過說真的人家隊版這篇在討論他們的事 你何必出來
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要發言，你拿熱火跟近十年的冠軍球隊比比~是不是最弱
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只有極少數人會覺得不是，我不是討厭熱火或怎樣，只
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是客觀的講而已
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樓上幾個到此為止，再吵鎖文。
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那就鎖吧~馬的看到bobsorcerer降酸太陽我非常度爛!!
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人家也道歉了，我希望能不為了板友之間的小爭執而鎖
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上這篇很值得討論的文章。原作者的看法也只是他個人
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意見而已，要是不同意就發文來和大家討論。
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還我JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
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唉～真的嚴格講也沒有真的很省＄啊？只是花錯地方..
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這篇動人的外電竟然被下面的推文毀了...
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熱火也許是十年來最弱冠軍隊﹐但熱火那批老將確實
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個個都是季後賽老油條
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不過我認為Q那年的表現沒話說，要不是他轉到尼克後
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受傷，如果能保持那年的成績，這約我覺得是OK的
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不過他季後賽消失被罵得蠻慘的就是了...
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Q的問題是他的取代姓太高,而高層又給他一份莫名其妙
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的高薪...所以事後當然是盡早把他送走...
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06/10 20:26, , 63F
Q的取代性高嗎？像他這樣有三分又會抓籃板切入打爛仗
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的球員年薪600萬左右算高薪嗎？我還沒提他防守不錯
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最重要的是，他真的很適合太陽
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他被送走主因是季後賽表現不佳，為了對付馬刺而換來
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KT，並考慮到往後薪資結構的問題(換來KT比較好處理)
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但是我不覺得他取代性高XD
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他的約被視為肥約大概也跟轉到尼克後一直受傷有關吧
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有啊,那個打完季後賽就和我們揮揮手的TT就是一個啊..
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06/10 22:12, , 71F
TT的防守就沒有阿Q好吧
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06/11 00:07, , 72F
先不講位置不同，TT平均年薪也是600萬...
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管他是不是最弱的冠軍~能拿到冠軍就是成功
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他們用一堆老將能拿冠軍~我們也可以得
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沒簽J‧J真的是個失策阿!!
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TT和Q的年薪差了不少,TT接下來兩年600,646 Q:810,880
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而且畢竟Q的身材不夠高,當需要禁區戰力時,就很頭痛
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06/11 10:24, , 78F
Q那年整個季後賽都快隱形了，且說不定醫療團隊發現
06/11 10:24, 78F
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06/11 10:25, , 79F
Q可能有傷勢發生(暗黑想法)，再加上對馬刺失利想補強
06/11 10:25, 79F
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06/11 10:25, , 80F
禁區，自然產生這筆交易，至於射手角色，則另找一位
06/11 10:25, 80F
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06/11 10:26, , 81F
JJ來頂，只可惜沒有Q那種瘋狂射手的動感出來
06/11 10:26, 81F
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06/11 16:20, , 82F
平均年薪差100萬算還好，主要是Q的約長度太長不好處
06/11 16:20, 82F
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06/11 16:21, , 83F
理，畢竟太陽本來還打算續簽JJ，在考慮到阿罵，想想
06/11 16:21, 83F
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06/11 16:22, , 84F
看Q的約都走幾年了，直接用這兩年比當然是差不少
06/11 16:22, 84F
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06/11 23:38, , 85F
Q跟TT的差別是TT可以讓Marion拉出來外面鎖搖擺人，Q
06/11 23:38, 85F
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06/11 23:39, , 86F
不行，尤其當季後賽的主要對手都有後場要鎖的時候
06/11 23:39, 86F
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12/12 16:40, 7年前 , 87F
真的是越看越生氣= = https://daxiv.com
12/12 16:40, 87F
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04/20 22:14, 7年前 , 88F
只是看他們冠軍多不爽罷 https://moxox.com
04/20 22:14, 88F
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