[外電] 綠茶

看板PHX-Suns (鳳凰城 太陽)作者 (大叔)時間15年前 (2011/04/30 19:33), 編輯推噓35(35053)
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The Phoenix Suns managed to dump Hedo Turkoglu’s contract and steal away Marcin Gortat because the Orlando Magic figured they had to shake up their core for a shot to win now. 奧蘭多需要衝擊總冠軍的機會,太陽要擺脫Hedo的合約,事情發生了 If we’re going to judge the Aaron Brooks trade as a failure because it did not lead to a Phoenix playoff berth, not only does the big December trade look like a Suns win but it looks like an Orlando loss as well after the Magic failed to reach the second round of the playoffs for the first time since 2007. 如果我們把AB交易案認為是失敗的話,那奧蘭多就更慘了 Richardson may have been an upgrade over Vince Carter because, well, he’s still breathing, but J-Rich in no way resembled the Suns’ star playoff performer from a year ago. 綠茶本來是被當作SG方面的升級的,但他在奧蘭多打得不像是那個季後賽球星 J-Rich averaged 10.0 points on 33.3 percent shooting from the field and 32.0 percent shooting from distance this series and he got suspended for a crucial Game 4 that Orlando lost for fighting. In 55 regular season games with the Magic his numbers were also down: 13.9 points on 43.3 percent shooting after going for 19.3 on 47.0 percent shooting to begin the season with the Suns. 綠茶在系列賽平均只有10分,命中率是33.3 三分命中率32,而且在關鍵的G4被冰起來 在奧蘭多的數據也是往下掉(上方紅色地帶) The Magic made the trade because they felt Richardson was a missing complementary scorer whose output would surpass Carter’s and while they may have been right in that regard by no means was he a difference maker for Orlando like he was last year as the Suns’ barometer of success. 魔術覺得綠茶應該是那個超越VC的SG,所以把它盤來 Long term losing J-Rich really doesn’t cost the Suns since they were unlikely to re-sign him to any kind of big money deal considering the youth movement that the franchise eventually will face. Although the Suns clearly missed him as a go-to guy, losing four months of him was certainly worth what they got back. 長期來說失去綠茶對太陽來說不算損失 ,因為太陽並不打算續約 ,高層不想在重建時還背 他的大約 ,而且失去他四個月的確有換回值得的東西 The Magic were also theoretically the only team willing to take on Hedo Turkoglu and the three years and $35 million remaining on his deal after this one (part of the money in the final season is non-guaranteed). The thought process for Orlando was that he was successful there before, and they felt they needed him initiating their offense out of the pick-and-roll to give them that added edge they possessed during their run to the Finals two years ago. 而且魔術應該是唯一願意背Hedo的大約的 ,畢竟之前是如此成功 I didn’t think anybody would even take a sniff at Hedo unless he was the tax for a Nash trade or something like that, so merely eliminating him from Phoenix’s future seemed like a huge plus when he had to be one of the more untradeable players in the league. 我想沒人想碰Hedo-除非他是交易Nash添頭或怎樣的 ,但那不太可能 ,所以就把他弄掉囉 However, on the day Orlando made this fateful move he was merely the third most untradeable player to be dealt that day with the Magic also consummating a Gilbert Arenas-Rashard Lewis deal. 那天魔術還弄來了9號瘋子 Those trades meant the Magic were going all in. The deals for Arenas and Hedo combined with Dwight Howard’s superstar contract severely limit Orlando’s future flexibility to make moves to satisfy Howard before he can leave in 2012, and a lackluster regular season combined with the six-game loss to the Hawks prove the Magic lost this gamble, at least for the time being. 魔術全梭了,這些交易跟魔獸的合約嚴重限制了奧蘭多的空間 ,魔獸在12年可以離開 但他們輸了 As Nate Drexler writes at MagicBasketball.net, Turkoglu just wasn’t the same player he was two years ago. During the regular season he averaged 11.4-4.5-5.1 on 44.8 percent shooting, better numbers than he put up in Phoenix but not exactly the guy who averaged 19.5 and 16.8 his previous two years in Orlando. Nate Drexler在以上網頁寫到Hedo早已不是那個Hedo了,雖然在魔術的數字比鳳凰城好看 He’s been horrendous in the playoffs, averaging 9.4 points on 29.4 percent shooting from the field and 23.3 percent shooting from distance. His playoff PER of 7.19 and true shooting percentage of 37.1 aren’t why the Magic swung this deal. 而且他在季後賽鳥爆了 Drexler describes Hedo as “indecisive,” “passive,” and “useless” during his current tenure in Orlando, words that could easily describe the beginning of his season as well in Phoenix. 優柔寡斷、被動、無用--Nate Drexler給的評語 Hedo’s sharp decline truly is a mystery now that he has not only struggled in Toronto and Phoenix but also back in his comfort zone in Orlando. Even playing for Turkey in the FIBA World Championship he took more threes than twos and settled for long jump shots time after time after time, hardly resembling the 2009 playoff stalwart. Hedo的急速墜落是個謎 ,他不僅在多倫多跟鳳凰城打的掙扎 ,連回到魔術都很爛 甚至在打FIBA時投三分的時候都比兩分多 Perhaps he got fat from the big contract the Raptors gave him and has never been able to work his way back or perhaps a clutch playoffs following a career year the season before just exaggerated his worth in everybody’s eyes. 也許有肥約就擺爛吧 ,也許兩年前的季後賽表現讓大家眼睛都瞎了吧 In any case, the Suns’ future looks much brighter with Gortat’s long-term deal in place of Turkoglu’s albatross of a contract on their books the next few years, and the Suns should be thankful the Magic were willing to take a major risk that thus far has been a failure. 不管怎樣 ,有鍋貼的未來更加明亮 ,太陽應該感謝魔術幫背大約 With that the entirety of the special 2009-10 Suns roster has now been eliminated from postseason contention as we see all those parts that worked so well together have not been the same apart. 不重要的一段 Read more: http://tinyurl.com/3e79xer 結果沒怎麼提到綠茶= = 都在鞭Hedo.. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.203.116.91 ※ 編輯: abcd810112 來自: 210.203.116.91 (04/30 19:35)

04/30 19:39, , 1F
結論這筆交易是太陽搶劫成功瞜
04/30 19:39, 1F

04/30 19:40, , 2F
可是我覺得是大范根本一點戰術都沒有,一堆好球員
04/30 19:40, 2F

04/30 19:40, , 3F
可是完全沒打出該有的水準
04/30 19:40, 3F

04/30 19:48, , 4F
之所以說搶劫.....太陽:一個球星失常 魔術:兩個
04/30 19:48, 4F

04/30 20:14, , 5F
繼續翻 繼續翻!
04/30 20:14, 5F

04/30 20:20, , 6F
我覺得是大范問題就是=.=
04/30 20:20, 6F

04/30 20:20, , 7F
是覺得不到搶劫啦 各取所需~
04/30 20:20, 7F

04/30 20:21, , 8F
只是綠茶用得不好 火槍表現也不如預期
04/30 20:21, 8F

04/30 20:31, , 9F
阿阿 這波外電浪好高阿 快被淹沒了 但被淹得很爽XD
04/30 20:31, 9F

04/30 20:59, , 10F
FIBA吧..
04/30 20:59, 10F

04/30 21:19, , 11F
問一下 總版說的水槍是誰阿??
04/30 21:19, 11F

04/30 21:26, , 12F
就是火槍
04/30 21:26, 12F

04/30 21:32, , 13F
那再問一下 火槍兵這綽號哪來的阿? ?
04/30 21:32, 13F

04/30 21:34, , 14F
來自世紀帝國裡土耳其的兵種,Hedo是土耳其人
04/30 21:34, 14F

04/30 21:39, , 15F
喔原來 謝謝兩位幫我解惑喔XDDDD
04/30 21:39, 15F

04/30 22:15, , 16F
我仍然認為綠茶的離開對太陽很傷...
04/30 22:15, 16F

04/30 22:25, , 17F
綠茶ㄉㄉ要回來嗎
04/30 22:25, 17F

04/30 23:29, , 18F
樓上= = 注音文
04/30 23:29, 18F

04/30 23:33, , 19F
完了完了正妹版主又要震怒了.........
04/30 23:33, 19F

04/30 23:53, , 20F
有綠茶的離開 達利才有正規賽後段先發的機會
04/30 23:53, 20F

04/30 23:53, , 21F
我真的覺得這筆交易成功的絕對是太陽而不是魔術
04/30 23:53, 21F

04/30 23:55, , 22F
想成綠茶換鍋貼... 小賺吧
04/30 23:55, 22F

04/30 23:56, , 23F
再加上清掉Hedo大約的話 就更賺一點 單論這筆交易
04/30 23:56, 23F

04/30 23:56, , 24F
但想到會有這筆交易是因為之前... 就會覺得OOXX
04/30 23:56, 24F

05/01 00:01, , 25F
推abcd大外電亂舞
05/01 00:01, 25F

05/01 00:53, , 26F
覺得是他們教練的問題.........
05/01 00:53, 26F

05/01 00:54, , 27F
不然魔術陣容其實很強... 拿冠軍我都不覺得意外
05/01 00:54, 27F

05/01 00:55, , 28F
還OK阿 反正基本上清薪資很成功 如果綠茶嬸沒換走
05/01 00:55, 28F

05/01 00:56, , 29F
續約的問題也是一個頭兩個大了
05/01 00:56, 29F

05/01 00:58, , 30F
不過今年VC又走 我們就沒有投切兼備的SG了耶..
05/01 00:58, 30F

05/01 00:58, , 31F
跟Nash配合的體系可能不太需要會切的
05/01 00:58, 31F

05/01 00:59, , 32F
老喊著要搖擺人,來了又把人家當定點射手用 = =
05/01 00:59, 32F

05/01 00:59, , 33F
該死的無限迴圈......
05/01 00:59, 33F

05/01 01:00, , 34F
搖擺人到這裡都會變空切射手XD
05/01 01:00, 34F

05/01 01:06, , 35F
不是會變 是被迫適應 適應好就像後期綠茶 適應不好就
05/01 01:06, 35F

05/01 01:06, , 36F
前期綠茶OR VC 被鞭得要死
05/01 01:06, 36F

05/01 01:07, , 37F
現在最適合太陽的還是Bell那種的SG吧 我個人覺得....
05/01 01:07, 37F

05/01 01:07, , 38F
而且價錢也不會太扯
05/01 01:07, 38F

05/01 01:09, , 39F
話說當初JJ怎麼可以玩這麼開心啊 後來的都沒這麼好用
05/01 01:09, 39F

05/01 01:11, , 40F
打法有點不同吧 記得是不一樣的打法
05/01 01:11, 40F

05/01 01:56, , 41F
我反而覺得現在的太陽要會切入的SG 在強的進攻球隊
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05/01 01:57, , 42F
都會有當機的時候 去年我們有兩個方法解決 一個就是
05/01 01:57, 42F

05/01 01:59, , 43F
阿罵上去硬吃 第二個就是放替補上來砍分
05/01 01:59, 43F

05/01 02:13, , 44F
VC很會切阿 剛來的綠茶也會切阿......要會切的有是有
05/01 02:13, 44F

05/01 02:13, , 45F
但與其把會切的當射手用,不如就真的只找個射手還省
05/01 02:13, 45F

05/01 02:14, , 46F
點錢
05/01 02:14, 46F

05/01 02:18, , 47F
太陽不需要在這位置上找明星來
05/01 02:18, 47F

05/01 03:33, , 48F
如果阿罵在的確只要插個射手就不錯了 問題是鍋貼跟
05/01 03:33, 48F

05/01 03:35, , 49F
阿罵還是有差距 還有今年Nash越來越多第四節手軟
05/01 03:35, 49F

05/01 03:37, , 50F
一方面是他時間控球比去年長 還有年紀絕對是有差的
05/01 03:37, 50F

05/01 03:47, , 51F
我們的想法其實差不多,現行主要進攻就是靠Nash帶起
05/01 03:47, 51F

05/01 03:48, , 52F
的PnR到死,但配合的人不是阿罵威力就比以前小了一點
05/01 03:48, 52F

05/01 03:48, , 53F
在這情況下我可以同意你認為需要增加個會切的搖擺人
05/01 03:48, 53F

05/01 03:49, , 54F
的動機,不過起碼現況是在Nash持球時間相當長,而且
05/01 03:49, 54F

05/01 03:50, , 55F
當他持球後主要考慮的是PnR或找空檔球員或自己出手,
05/01 03:50, 55F

05/01 03:50, , 56F
而非把球交給哪個他信任的球員單打下,搖擺人只能一
05/01 03:50, 56F

05/01 03:51, , 57F
直被當定點射手用。當然如果來了個會切的教練弄點戰
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05/01 03:51, , 58F
術給他是好的,但我想機率還是不很高。Amare在時還可
05/01 03:51, 58F

05/01 03:52, , 59F
以要點球權面框單打或中距離,阿罵走後Nash似乎更不
05/01 03:52, 59F

05/01 03:52, , 60F
放心把球交出去的感覺。
05/01 03:52, 60F

05/01 03:54, , 61F
今年NG擋拆如果被守住就只好重打了,去年NS卻很難被
05/01 03:54, 61F

05/01 03:54, , 62F
守住。另外,NG就算打得順,進攻節奏還是比以往慢得
05/01 03:54, 62F

05/01 03:55, , 63F
多了。
05/01 03:55, 63F

05/01 04:13, , 64F
老實說今年我沒什麼看球的動力 太陽打球越來越制式
05/01 04:13, 64F

05/01 09:17, , 65F
童裝:我可以切阿q口q 要扣籃也行 但別叫我投籃XD
05/01 09:17, 65F

05/01 12:35, , 66F
還是不認為交易來小AB是錯的 小AB平均表現應該還是比
05/01 12:35, 66F

05/01 12:35, , 67F
較好
05/01 12:35, 67F

05/01 13:43, , 68F
不過為什麼其他隊就可以搞到G蛙或黑霧~ 太陽就不行?
05/01 13:43, 68F

05/01 13:44, , 69F
除了鍋貼以外,禁區要再多一塔,就穩了
05/01 13:44, 69F

05/01 13:54, , 70F
因為沒菜可以配啊 orz
05/01 13:54, 70F

05/01 13:58, , 71F
次級聯盟不能找些身材夠壯夠高但欠缺技術的進來練嗎?
05/01 13:58, 71F

05/01 13:58, , 72F
美國籃球人才這麼多,身高200以上的應該一堆吧
05/01 13:58, 72F

05/01 14:09, , 73F
要兩百以上的很容易 但是要找有腦的就不容易了...
05/01 14:09, 73F

05/01 14:49, , 74F
肉汁有腦
05/01 14:49, 74F

05/01 14:49, , 75F
缺禁區的又不只太陽....
05/01 14:49, 75F

05/01 14:50, , 76F
要是那麼簡單就部會每年選秀一堆球隊賭中鋒
05/01 14:50, 76F

05/01 14:50, , 77F
成功的沒幾個
05/01 14:50, 77F

05/01 14:52, , 78F
G蛙是態度問題
05/01 14:52, 78F

05/01 14:54, , 79F
身材夠高夠壯又有腦 但是沒技術 就是我們肉汁
05/01 14:54, 79F

05/01 15:02, , 80F
而且還有一點 稍微打好一點的內線那價碼可是...
05/01 15:02, 80F

05/01 15:03, , 81F
之前版上討論過的快艇Jordan 去年騎士的Hickson等
05/01 15:03, 81F

05/01 15:05, , 82F
不然便宜一點的可能就是身高問題...
05/01 15:05, 82F

05/01 15:08, , 83F
小牛...黑霧和拳王可都有傷病困擾阿
05/01 15:08, 83F

05/01 15:11, , 84F
說來說去還是只剩選秀這條路了orz
05/01 15:11, 84F

05/01 15:14, , 85F
個人覺得想靠交易或FA基本上都要負擔起傷病或是
05/01 15:14, 85F

05/01 15:14, , 86F
簽大約的風險
05/01 15:14, 86F

05/01 15:15, , 87F
如果是找內線的話
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05/02 11:46, , 88F
翻FIFA害我以為是足球==
05/02 11:46, 88F
打錯了 抱歉XD ※ 編輯: abcd810112 來自: 210.203.116.91 (05/02 11:54) ※ 編輯: abcd810112 來自: 210.203.116.91 (05/02 11:55)
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