[外電] 太陽季後球員分析 Marcin Gortat

看板PHX-Suns (鳳凰城 太陽)作者 (sandwalker)時間14年前 (2012/05/29 23:38), 編輯推噓30(30012)
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文章來源: http://ppt.cc/bDKk Here at Bright Side of the Sun we take the words TOTAL COVERAGE pretty dang seriously. While our beloved Suns are off taking nice vacations, we are still slaving away, attempting to provide you all with first class Suns coverage. So friends, without further adieu, we present you with the Phoenix Suns Season in Review, 2011-12. Up for discussion today is Marcin Gortat. 在「太陽光明面」站上,我們非常厭惡「概括」這個詞. 當我們所愛的太陽在享受美妙假期時, 我們仍像被努力帶來一流的太陽評論. 朋友們, 在道別前, 我們將繼續呈現上太陽隊11-12球季的總評. 今天討論的是Marcin Gortat We've reached the end of our player analysis for this past season, and what better way to cap off these reviews then with one of the more hotly debated players on the roster? Some believe Marcin Gortat is an all-star center in the making and should be a cornerstone of this team going forward, others believe he is nothing more than a glorified role player whose stats are grossly inflated due to playing with Steve Nash. 這是這系列季後球員分析的最後一篇,還有甚麼是把比較常引起討論的一員擺在最後更好 的結束方式? 有些人認為鍋貼是位逐漸成型的全明星中鋒, 應該被視為太陽未來的基石; 另一些人則認為他不過是個出色的配角球員, 其數據因為與老大搭配而被誇大了. Will we finally get to the bottom of this argument once and for all? Probably not...but hey, continue on after the jump anyway as I attempt to shed a little light on the enigma that is the Polish Machine. 我們是否終於可以一勞永逸將這整系列討論下個結論? 可能還不行...但是就讓我們來試 著解開這具波蘭機器的謎吧… (這裡用了波蘭人二戰時率先破解德國Enigma加密機的梗) When Marcin Gortat was still on the Orlando Magic playing behind Dwight Howard, most analysts considered him the best back-up center in the league. Gortat rarely got much of a chance to display his skills though because he was playing behind arguably the best starting center in the league as well. However, after a disappointing start to the 2010-11 season for Robin Lopez, the Suns jumped at the opportunity to acquire Gortat in a deal that sent Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Richardson, and Earl Clark to Orlando in return for Vince Carter's expiring body contract, Mikael Pietrus, and of course the Polish Machine himself. 當鍋貼還在魔術擔任忠誠獸的替補時, 多數分析者都認為他是聯盟中最好的替補中鋒.鍋 貼卻很少有機會發揮他的球技,畢竟那時他得排在聯盟中最好的中鋒之後才能上場. 然而 , 在2010-11賽初肉汁令人失望的表現後, 太陽隊抓住了機會, 在送出火槍、綠茶、克拉 克到魔術的交易中換回卡特的到期合約、皮丘, 當然還有鍋貼. But because Gortat had received so little playing time in the spotlight prior to this trade, there were still quite a few relative unknowns about his game. Many Suns' fans expected a hard-nosed, physical center on both offense and defense...after-all, his name was the Polish Hammer, right? 但由於鍋貼在此次交易之前, 僅有少少的上場時間, 因此仍然有不少關於他的未知數.許 多太陽球迷對他的期待是: 頑強的, 能撐起攻守兩端的強力中鋒..., 畢竟, 當時他的外 號可不是波蘭大錘嗎? Well as it turned out, not only were most of those preconceived notions about his game wrong, so was his nickname (he prefers the Polish Machine, not the Polish Hammer). While Gortat is regarded as a tough defensive player, his offensive game turned out to be much more finesse than powerful. But that wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Many fans and analysts were shocked by his incredible agility and quickness around the hoop, and while he didn't dunk the ball as much as many fans hoped, he surpassed most expectations about his ability, and quickly became of of the most important components of the Suns' offense. 結果, 不僅是大部分對他的球風先入為主的觀念是錯的, 連他的綽號也弄錯了(鍋貼自己 喜 歡波蘭機器勝過波蘭大錘). 雖然鍋貼的確是一個不錯的防守球員,他的進攻球風卻是 技巧 多於蠻力. 但這不是件壞事. 許多球迷和分析者都對他令人難以置信的靈活性和籃 下的速度感到震驚, 雖然他不像大多數球迷期望的那樣常常灌藍,但他卻遠遠超出了一開 始對他的期望並迅速成為太陽進攻最重要的組成部分. At the start of the 2011-12 season, the expectations for Gortat's production were high. And at least for the first half of the season, he not only met those expectations, but exceeded them as well. Then came the second half of the season... While the rest of the team was finally playing well together, Gortat seemed to regress. The player so many fans considered an all-star snub was suddenly being criticized from every angle. 在2011-12季初, 對鍋貼到底貢獻多少的期待是很高的. 至少在上半季, 他不僅達到這些 期望甚至更遠超於此. 然而很快到了下半季...雖然其他太陽球員終於磨合成功, 鍋貼卻 似乎反而倒退了.這個被很多球迷認為是全明星等級的球員一下子收到各種角度的批評. But was he really playing as badly as it seemed? 但他真的打得像看起來的那麼糟嗎? Here is a comparison of Gortat's stats before and after the all-star break: 以下是一個鍋貼全明星周末前後的數據比較: Value G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT Pre 34 34 1142 230 410 0 0 80 Post 32 32 972 197 359 0 2 83 Value FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF Pre 119 90 355 33 26 53 51 73 Post 132 95 304 26 22 46 39 69 Value PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST Pre 540 0.561 0.672 33.6 15.9 10.4 1 Post 477 0.549 0 0.629 30.4 14.9 9.5 0.8 The reason I wanted to show these stats in comparison to each other is that, in all honesty, I expected a bigger disparity between them...as I'm sure most of you who are reading this did as well. 我想在這裡列出這些數據比較結果的原因,老實說是因為我本預計它們之間的差距會更大 ...而我敢肯定, 你們正好讀到這裡的的大多數人本來也是這麼想的. While his first-half numbers are certainly better in every category, the drop off in production for the second half of the season doesn't seem nearly as drastic as our eyes may have perceived. Without going through each category, what it all boiled down to is basically one less point, and one less rebound per game. 雖然他上半季的數據在每個項目都比較好,但下半季的下降程度也不如我們所以為看到的 那麼急劇. 這裡不一一列舉每個項目,就簡單把這些數據歸納成平均得分和籃板稍稍變少 了. So why did it seem like Gortat was so much less effective in the second half of the season? I think it has more to do with perception than actual performance. 那麼, 為什麼鍋貼下半季看起來變得比較沒有效率了?我認為在這裡我們自己的感覺所佔 的因素大於鍋貼的實際表現. His play before the all-star break stood out more in a positive way since he and Steve Nash were basically the only two consistent players on the team. Similarly, since the rest of the team finally started playing well at the same time that Gortat's play began to decline, I believe it magnified his struggles and made them seem worse than they actually were. 因為他和老大當時基本上是太陽唯二有著穩定表現的球員,他在全明星週前之前的表現看 起來更正面. 同樣的道理,由於之後在其餘太陽隊員的表現終於好轉時, 鍋貼的數據剛好 開始下降, 我相信因為這點放大了他的掙扎, 使它看起來比實際上要來得差. Here are his overall basic stats for his last two seasons in Phoenix: 以下是他在太陽過去兩個賽季的基本數據: Season Tm G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 10-11 PHO 55 12 29.7 5.3 9.5 0.563 0 11-12 PHO 66 66 32 6.5 11.7 0.555 0 Career 296 83 20.5 3.4 6.1 0.555 0 Season 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB 10-11 0.1 0.25 2.3 3.2 0.731 2 7.3 9.3 11-12 0 0 2.5 3.8 0.649 2.8 7.2 10 Career 0 0.2 1.3 1.9 0.674 1.8 4.7 6.5 Season AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 10-11 1 0.5 1.3 1.2 2.5 13 11-12 0.9 0.7 1.5 1.4 2.2 15.4 Career 0.5 0.4 1.1 0.8 2 8.1 Here are his advanced stats for the last two seasons as well: 以下是他過去兩個賽季數據的深入分析: Season Tm G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% 10-11 PHO 55 1636 18.8 0.598 0.564 7.8 28.5 11-12 PHO 66 2114 21.2 0.578 0.555 10 25 Career 296 6069 18.2 0.581 0.555 10.4 25.8 Season TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg 10-11 18.1 5.2 0.9 3.2 9.7 18.3 117 106 11-12 17.6 4.8 1.2 3.4 9.3 20.8 115 103 Career 18.2 4.4 1 3.8 10.6 17.2 116 102 Season WS WS/48 10-11 5.1 0.151 11-12 7.6 0.172 Career 20.9 0.166 Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com. Looking at the above numbers, you can see that Gortat had a better overall season last year than he did in his first partial season with the Suns. 看完上面的數據, 你可以發現鍋貼本季的整體表現比他剛到太陽的第一季要來得好. His rebounding average was more or less the same while his points per game, defensive rating, and PER were significantly better. In fact, he led the team in all of those categories plus blocks and field goal percentage as well. Not to mention, he was also the only player to play in all 66 games last season and also led the team in minutes played. 他的平均籃板差不多, 而他的平均得分、防守效率值、PER效率值則顯著提高. 事實上, 他在所有這些項目再加上火鍋和投籃命中率上都領先全隊. 更何況,他是唯一一位本季66 場比賽都沒缺席並在上場時間也領先全隊的球員. Here are his stats compared to the rest of the team: 以下面是他和其他隊員數據的比較: Player G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% Gortat 66 32 6.5 11.7 0.555 0 0 0 Dudley 65 31.1 4.8 9.9 0.485 1.2 3.2 0.383 Nash 62 31.6 4.8 9 0.532 0.9 2.3 0.39 Brown 59 23.7 4.3 10.1 0.42 1.2 3.2 0.362 Frye 64 26.1 4 9.6 0.416 1.4 4.1 0.346 Hill 49 28.1 4.1 9.2 0.446 0.3 1.1 0.264 Redd 51 15.1 2.8 7.1 0.4 0.8 2.6 0.318 Morris 63 19.5 2.8 6.9 0.399 0.7 2 0.347 Warrick 35 14.4 2.1 5.1 0.411 0 0.3 0.1 Telfair 60 14.9 2.4 5.7 0.412 0.6 1.8 0.314 Lopez 64 14 1.9 4.2 0.461 0 0 0 Price 36 14.4 1.4 3.6 0.377 0.4 1.2 0.295 Childress 34 14.4 1.4 2.9 0.485 0.1 0.7 0.167 Player FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL Gortat 2.5 3.8 0.649 2.8 7.2 10 0.9 0.7 Dudley 1.8 2.5 0.726 1.5 3.2 4.6 1.7 0.8 Nash 2 2.3 0.894 0.4 2.6 3 10.7 0.6 Brown 1.4 1.7 0.808 0.6 2 2.7 1.2 0.7 Frye 1.1 1.3 0.89 1.1 4.8 5.9 1.4 0.7 Hill 1.7 2.2 0.761 0.6 2.9 3.5 2.2 0.8 Redd 1.7 2.2 0.793 0.3 1.2 1.5 0.6 0.3 Morris 1.2 1.7 0.717 1.1 3.3 4.4 1 0.7 Warrick 2.2 2.8 0.768 0.9 1.7 2.6 0.9 0.2 Telfair 0.9 1.1 0.791 0.3 1.2 1.5 2.3 0.7 Lopez 1.6 2.2 0.714 1.4 1.9 3.3 0.3 0.3 Price 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.5 1.1 1.6 1.9 0.9 Childress 0 0.1 0 0.9 1.9 2.8 1 0.4 Player BLK TOV PF PTS Gortat 1.5 1.4 2.2 15.4 Dudley 0.3 1.1 1.6 12.7 Nash 0.1 3.7 0.9 12.5 Brown 0.3 1.1 1.1 11 Frye 1.1 1 2.8 10.5 Hill 0.6 1.3 1.8 10.2 Redd 0 0.7 0.6 8.2 Morris 0.7 1.1 2.8 7.4 Warrick 0.1 1 1 6.4 Telfair 0.2 1.1 2 6.1 Lopez 0.9 0.7 2 5.4 Price 0.1 1.3 2 3.6 Childress 0.2 0.3 1.1 2.9 Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com. Player G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% Gortat 66 2114 21.2 0.578 0.555 10 25 17.6 Nash 62 1961 20.3 0.625 0.581 1.5 9.1 5.3 Dudley 65 2020 15.4 0.575 0.547 5.4 11.4 8.4 Frye 64 1669 14.9 0.519 0.49 4.8 20.6 12.8 Lopez 64 895 15.2 0.526 0.461 11.5 14.8 13.2 Hill 49 1378 12.3 0.5 0.461 2.4 11.5 7 Brown 59 1400 13.6 0.507 0.477 3.1 9.5 6.3 Morris 63 1227 12.1 0.484 0.448 6.4 19.1 12.8 Telfair 60 895 13.2 0.495 0.461 2.5 8.9 5.7 Childress 34 491 11.1 0.501 0.505 7.2 14.6 10.9 Redd 51 770 13.9 0.511 0.458 2.1 9.1 5.6 Warrick 35 503 13.1 0.503 0.414 7 13.5 10.3 Price 36 517 8.4 0.465 0.427 4 8.2 6.1 Player AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg WS/48 Gortat 4.8 1.2 3.4 9.3 20.8 115 103 0.172 Nash 53.1 1 0.3 27.1 19.6 115 110 0.144 Dudley 8.8 1.3 0.7 9.1 17.7 115 109 0.121 Frye 8.3 1.3 3 8.8 19.3 106 104 0.106 Lopez 3.4 1 4.8 11.5 18.9 108 105 0.115 Hill 12.1 1.5 1.5 11.5 18.6 100 107 0.055 Brown 8.1 1.6 0.8 9.1 22.8 101 108 0.054 Morris 8.2 1.7 2.5 12.7 20.4 97 104 0.059 Telfair 24.5 2.4 1 15.5 22.3 99 107 0.058 Childress 10 1.5 0.9 8.3 10.1 114 107 0.092 Redd 7.1 0.9 0 8.3 26.3 102 111 0.052 Warrick 9.3 0.8 0.4 13.9 23.4 100 109 0.05 Price 18.7 3.4 0.4 24.6 16.4 89 105 0.008 Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com. If I were grading Gortat compared to other centers in the league I would give him a B+, but since I am grading him based on his play for the Suns and his importance to this team, I am going to give him a solid A for last season. I would grade his first half performance as an "A", and his second half performance as an "A-" because of his slight drop off in the second half of the season, which I believe was mostly due to being worn down and tired over playing so many minutes in such a compressed and intense season. But all-in-all, Gortat had an excellent year. 如果我拿鍋貼與其他隊的中鋒比較, 我會給他B +; 但既然我將根據他對太陽的貢獻和重 要 性評分, 我便會給他A. 我給他的上半季A而下半季A-; 他的數據在下半季稍有下降的 原因,我相信主要是因為體力下降且因需在緊湊激烈的本季出賽這麼長的時間而疲累. 但 總結仍是鍋貼有個非常傑出的一年. I believe his play last season was was much better than many fans and analysts think, and I believe he was instrumental in not only helping to carry this team in the first half of the season, but also to the impressive yet ultimately ill-fated playoff push the Suns made in the second half of the season--which many fans simply don't give him enough credit for. 我相信本季他的表現比很多球迷和分析者認為的還要好,也相信他不僅在本季上半季幫助 這支球隊,也在下半季令人印象深刻但最終命運多舛的季后賽衝刺中推動了太陽–雖然很 多球迷沒有在這點上給予他足夠的掌聲. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 119.127.165.131

05/29 23:42, , 1F
推鍋貼
05/29 23:42, 1F

05/30 00:12, , 2F
我們有沒有可能拿到加索阿~~~~~~
05/30 00:12, 2F

05/30 00:13, , 3F
感覺拿到加索再留老大可以東山再起啊~~
05/30 00:13, 3F

05/30 01:21, , 4F
儘管如此 太陽還是要找一個也能在禁區取分的人
05/30 01:21, 4F

05/30 01:34, , 5F
鍋貼表現很好...可是感覺他不是那種基石型的球員
05/30 01:34, 5F

05/30 01:35, , 6F
都是利用擋拆得分較多..沒看過他單純靠自己得分
05/30 01:35, 6F

05/30 04:32, , 7F
鍋貼平均竟有15分十籃板!
05/30 04:32, 7F

05/30 06:39, , 8F
推鍋貼!! 扎實不花俏的球員!!!!!
05/30 06:39, 8F

05/30 09:52, , 9F
一年才7M,俗又大碗。
05/30 09:52, 9F

05/30 10:00, , 10F
俗又大碗+1
05/30 10:00, 10F

05/30 11:34, , 11F
不知道鍋貼自己是不是很喜歡在太陽打球呢?
05/30 11:34, 11F

05/30 12:17, , 12F
嘎獸適合太陽嗎~~ ?
05/30 12:17, 12F

05/30 16:53, , 13F
嘎受會抓板又會偷跑 不會太差 只是他的薪水....
05/30 16:53, 13F

05/30 19:51, , 14F
嘎獸有籃板 有低位 有傳導 超好的啊 但我們不一定有$
05/30 19:51, 14F

05/30 19:52, , 15F
推鍋貼 另外我也希望能交易到Gasol 但不知道能拿誰換
05/30 19:52, 15F

05/30 21:38, , 16F
我會想拿鍋貼+Childress or Dudley 去換 Gasol @@
05/30 21:38, 16F

05/30 22:16, , 17F
拿達利我會捨不得..........
05/30 22:16, 17F

05/30 22:24, , 18F
我也希望gasol來 用換的薪水影響不大吧
05/30 22:24, 18F

05/30 22:25, , 19F
而且很多頂級球星都沒有特別意願來太陽(好像吧)
05/30 22:25, 19F

05/30 22:33, , 20F
gasol其實可以不用來啦 只要重新簽回diaw就行了
05/30 22:33, 20F

05/30 22:34, , 21F
diaw能力不比gasol差況且薪水也比較便宜 缺點是矮了
05/30 22:34, 21F

05/30 22:35, , 22F
一點 只希望夏天能重新簽回diaw補PF這個洞
05/30 22:35, 22F

05/30 22:39, , 23F
推鍋貼!
05/30 22:39, 23F

05/30 22:41, , 24F
我也比較喜歡屌爺 可是馬刺應該會搶 畢竟他太好用了.
05/30 22:41, 24F

05/30 23:01, , 25F
拿年輕球員去換即戰力...(這個即戰力還能打幾年?
05/30 23:01, 25F

05/30 23:01, , 26F
鍋貼+童裝還不夠吧? 我們還有多少TE?
05/30 23:01, 26F

05/30 23:02, , 27F
又或者是我們的選秀權還要換給人家嗎? 有價值嗎?
05/30 23:02, 27F

05/30 23:06, , 28F
+瓦力.....?XD
05/30 23:06, 28F

05/30 23:08, , 29F
不過我真的很喜歡鍋貼 留著其實也很好
05/30 23:08, 29F

05/30 23:09, , 30F
我們需要其他位置也能打開局面
05/30 23:09, 30F

05/30 23:15, , 31F
推鍋貼~ 換gasol我覺得太困難 還有小AB到底留不留?
05/30 23:15, 31F

05/30 23:17, , 32F
好多地方要補= ="
05/30 23:17, 32F

05/30 23:19, , 33F
嘎獸真的有比鍋貼好嗎...鍋貼CP值很高...補屌感覺比
05/30 23:19, 33F

05/30 23:20, , 34F
較好...........SG也是個大重點
05/30 23:20, 34F

05/31 02:26, , 35F
鍋貼超值又划算,可能的Allstar
05/31 02:26, 35F

05/31 06:05, , 36F
GASOL絕對比鍋貼好 但不太可能來
05/31 06:05, 36F

05/31 06:06, , 37F
想辦法弄個4號來吧 福來一臉替補樣...
05/31 06:06, 37F

05/31 09:33, , 38F
迪奧+1
05/31 09:33, 38F

05/31 12:57, , 39F
推鍋貼
05/31 12:57, 39F

05/31 14:33, , 40F
無法贊成屌爺 他都幾歲了= =
05/31 14:33, 40F

05/31 17:15, , 41F
幹嘛要Gasol...狠一點找下一個核心比較實在吧=_=
05/31 17:15, 41F

06/01 10:26, , 42F
30歲很老嗎
06/01 10:26, 42F
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