[DT]Peace, Love and Thunderstanding: The Jeff Green Conundrum

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原文連結：http://tinyurl.com/ygpzh5x Peace, Love and Thunderstanding: The Jeff Green Conundrum It has come to my attention over the past few weeks that the most controversial player on the Thunder roster is the one least likely to stir up controversy. 我注意到過去幾個禮拜以來，雷霆某個球員引起了爭議。 Drafted in 2007 with the 5th overall pick acquired from Boston in the Ray Allen trade, Jeff Green was an afterthought to Sonics fans excited by the selection of Kevin Durant about fifteen minutes prior. Of course, much of the reason Sam Presti tabbed 「Uncle Jeff」 (as his teammates have been known to refer to him) with the second draft choice of his general managing career had everything to do with Green being satisfied with playing second fiddle. The draft was just a warm-up for him. 2007年第5順位(因Allen交易案Boston給的)選來的Jeff Green，是在Sonic選進KD之後15 分鐘，球迷還在為選到KD興奮的時候，選的「另外一個人」。當然，GM Sam Presti基於許多原因才會選他(當時KD可是比他有名太多)。對Sam Presti而言，這個選秀不過是他GM 生涯中第二次選秀，他做了一切能作的事，希望Green可以滿足於球隊第二人的角色。這次選秀對他而言只是場熱身。 Every successful superstar in the NBA seems to need a less heralded companion who does all the dirty work while they make the headlines. Bill Russell had Bob Cousy. Tim Duncan has had Manu Ginobili. Kareem had Magic (then vice versa). Oh, and some guy named Michael Jordan used to play with this Scottie Pippen person. 當每個成功的NBA超級巨星上了報紙頭版的時候，似乎都至少需要提到他有一個做了所有髒活的夥伴。Bussell有Cousy，Duncan有Manu，Jaba有Magic Johnson(反之亦然)。喔，有個叫做Michael Jordan的總是跟Scottie Pippen一起打球。 Scottie Pippen is the gold standard for side kicks. When the 1990’s Bulls won six championships in eight years, Pippen did such an amazing job of being unassuming that everyone assumed he was unambitious. While Michael Jordan won scoring title after scoring title and built a multi billion dollar persona, Pippen simply reduced the pressure from Jordan on the floor and shouldered the fan’s blame when the team failed. Scottie Pippen是最標準的第二人。當90年代全盛的公牛隊8年拿下6個冠軍時，Pippen做了許多令人難以置信卻又不顯眼的事情讓每個人都認為Pippen是個謙遜的球員。當MJ贏得一個又一個得分王，年薪一年比一年高的時候，Pippen在球場上顯得很輕易的減少了從MJ 那邊來的壓力，而當球隊輸球，他會默默承受球迷的批評。 The Thunder hope that Jeff Green develops into a Scottie Pippen type of player. Not just in his approach to professionalism, which I would argue he already does perfectly, but also his production on the floor. For his career he averaged 16 points per game, but during Chicago’s glory days, he always hovered near twenty as the second option in their offense. 雷霆也希望Jeff Green可以變成像Scottie Pippen那樣的球員。不僅僅是因為他們有著相似的工作態度(作者覺得他的工作態度已經非常完美)，而且他們打球的績效也是非常相似。Pipprn生涯的得分是16分，但在公牛隊的全盛期，他雖然是二號進攻選擇，但他的平均得分總有20分。 Looking at the two players’ third year stats, they are actually pretty close. Green is averaging 14.7 to Pippen’s 16.5 points, and in rebounds Pippen led 6.5 to 6.1. So, while Green could still improve upon or drop some in the last three-quarters of this season, he is not completely off pace. 比較一下這兩個球員在生涯第三年的數據，真的很接近。Green平均得分14.7，Pippen則是16.5，Pippen平均籃板6.5則比Green的6.1稍微多一點。所以，如果Green之後可以持續進步或他剩下的3/4個球季能夠多得幾分的話，他的數據不會輸給Pippen。 You would not get that if you listen to the vocal detractors that are spawning. As the Thunder have enjoyed more and more success, some of the fans have been willing to give less and less of the credit to the team’s co-captain. Listening to the litany of complaints about Green–he’s inconsitent, too small, unworthy of starting, and a defensive liability–it’ s sometimes forgotten that he’s the second best player on a team with playoff aspirations. 如果大家聽到最近出現的批評聲，是不會得到上面的結論的。當最近雷霆戰績不錯，拿下不少勝利的時候，有些球迷對於Green，球隊的共同隊長的耐心卻是越來越少。聽聽這些冗長的抱怨聲－Green太軟、不夠壯、沒有先發價值、防守會被打點－有時他們忘記了 Green是球隊第二好的球員，也是球隊想打入季後賽重要的一環。 Of all the criticisms I hear about Green, the one I take most exception to, and what most of the other complaints stem from, is the implication that he isn’t a power forward. My response to that is: What is a power forward? 我聽到所有關於Green的批評之中，有一個是我最不能同意的，這個論點會衍生出大部分對Green的批評。這個論點就是：他不是個大前鋒。我的回應是：何謂大前鋒？ Is a power forward a guy who dominates the glass, like Dennis Rodman, or a scorer, like Zach Randolph? And if he is a scorer, does a power forward post up like Karl Malone, or play on the perimeter like Dirk Nowitzki? Does a four need to be seven-feet tall, like Tim Duncan, or can he be 6′6〞 (on a good day) like Charles Barkley. And is a power forward thick, like Tractor Traylor, or rail-thin, like Kevin Garnett? 大前鋒是否要籃板很厲害，像小蟲一樣，或是像Zach Randolph那樣的得分手嗎？那得分方式要像Karl Malone一樣，低位一流還是像Dirk一樣外線出色？大前鋒一定要7呎高像 Duncan一樣，還是跟Sir Barkley差不多高(官方說法：6呎6吋)就好了？大前鋒要很厚像 Tractor Traylor (Robert Traylor，Tractor是綽號：拖拉機，身高6呎8，體重284磅)，還是跟KG一樣瘦長比較好？ The truth is, all of those guys play (or played) the same position despite drastic differences. There is no proto-type to being a power forward, but the people who write Jeff Green off as not fitting that position all seem to believe that one exists. And their trump card is always that Green is too small to defend other players of that position. 事實是，所有現在是大前鋒或是打過大前鋒的人，類型都差很多。大前鋒沒有一個共通標準。但那些批評Green說他不適合打大前鋒的人卻相信有一個大前鋒的共通標準在，而且他們的大絕總是說Green身材不夠壯，無法對抗其他球隊的大前鋒。 So, I went through the exercise of testing that theory. Looking at the first 23 games of the 2009/10 season, in which Green has started every game at the power forward position, I looked at the output of the guy who started opposite of him. The aggregate player scores 12.0 points, grabs 7.0 rebounds, has 0.8 steals and 0.6 blocks, and has 2 assists to 1.7 turnovers. On an average night, those same players would have scored 13.3 points, grabbed 7.7 rebounds, and had similar numbers the rest of the way. When smoothed out using per minute numbers (to eliminate the problem of players who weren’t everyday starters) the averages are almost identical to the first line. 於是我做了一些研究來檢驗他們的大絕。根據本季打到現在的23場比賽，Green都是先發大前鋒。針對與他對抗的大前鋒群，統計出的第一組結果是平均得分12.0、籃板7.0、抄截0.8、火鍋0.6、助攻2.0、失誤1.7。相同的球員在聯盟(此處不確定：On an average night)的平均數據是平均得分13.3p、籃板7.7，其他數據大致相同(此為第二組結果)。當整理出有效數據(將並非固定先發的球員數據刪去不計)，得到的平均數據非常接近第一組結果。 My expectation going in, using the detractors null hypothesis, was that players being guarded by Green would be having career games against Oklahoma City. What I found was that only two guys have had extremely good nights, and those two are always capable of domination. Carlos Boozer scored 26 (on 11 of 15 shooting) in a Jazz loss, and Kevin Garnett went 10 of 11 for 23 points in a Celtic blowout. Other than that, no one’s night really stuck out. The other thing to expect, considering Green is supposedly giving up so much size, is that the players would be shooting a ton of free throws. In actuality, Green’s match-ups are getting very little time at the line. Only one player, Washington’s Antawn Jamison, has gotten as many as seven free throws in a single game…and he only made three, so it may have been in Coach Brooks’ strategy to foul him rather than give up good looks. On average, opposing power forwards are going to the line for 2.4 shots. 我前面假設批評者認為別隊的大前鋒與雷霆比賽時面對Green的防守都可輕鬆打的理論是無效的，而這個統計結果支持我的說法。我只找到兩個球員在面對Green時數據明顯比較出色。Booooooooooooooozer面對他打出26分(11/15)，但爵士輸球，KG則拿下23分 (10/11)，雷霆也被超塞慘電。除了這兩個，沒有別人在面對他時打的更好。我想特別指出一件事，按理而言Green既然比較瘦，那麼別人應該很容易從他身上凹到罰球機會。實際上，沒幾個人可以從他身上凹到罰球機會。只有一個人Antawn Jamison，單場拿到7次罰球，不過他也只投進3個，所以我想這可能是Brooks的策略：寧可給他罰球也不給投。平均而言，所有大前鋒對上雷霆的罰球次數只有2.4次。 In the end, the worst you could say about Green’s defensive performance is that he’s only slightly above average because his match-ups are only doing slightly less than what they would do against anyone else. But meanwhile, Jeff Green is being the captain of this team, outplaying his opposition, and reducing the pressure on Kevin Durant. 結論是，說Green防守低於平均水準，他的防守比其他大前鋒差的說法是大錯特錯。與此同時，Green仍然是這隻球隊的隊長，打的比他的對手好，並且減輕KD所面對的壓力。 I think fewer people should be criticizing him and more should be buying 「Go Green」 shirts from Tree and Leaf. 我認為只有極少數人有資格批評他，大部分的人應該趕快去Tree and Leaf(應該是OKC的大型服裝店)買「Go Green」T來穿。 -- 『也許你想從我身上尋求許多東西。可是我卻一點也沒有感覺自己有什麼被需求。』 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 211.22.7.197