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[外電] Buchholz was cheating, but that's okay

看板MLB (美國職棒/大聯盟)作者 (希望你在這裡)時間13年前 (2013/05/05 18:00), 編輯推噓80(86推 6噓 118→)
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Hayburst針對一大堆罵他無恥、威脅要他死的人的回應: 昨天透過特寫鏡頭Buchholz的左前臂, 顯示他用右手手指在左前臂塗抹一些異物, 因 此我說他在作弊。 我這麼說的原因是因為, 他右手的食指和中指, 塗抹的是一些發亮、暗色膏藥狀的東 西不像是手臂上的皮膚和流汗自然產生的東西。然後, 抹上東西的兩指和大姆指併儱, 再用口水舔其他兩指, 然後握住球開始投球。 因此, 我在電視、廣播及報紙發言控訴這已經犯規。 我覺得我的發言是有道理的。 我一點都不感到後悔。 沒錯, 有一大堆人發言罵我, 包括 一個生涯成績爛透的小聯盟投手, 懂個屁 轉播成績爛透的球隊, 只好挖苦贏他的球隊出氣 只是在嫉妒天份比自己無限大的投手 藍鳥是個打得爛透的球隊, 只好拚命找話題增加收視 無恥透頂想辦法讓自己上頭條的爛主播 昨天中午後, 更瘋狂在Twitter上貼文, 威脅要幹掉我 **哈欠** 就這些... 說得再多, 明眼的人都看得見, Buchholz就是把那膏藥狀的東西弄到球上, 來幫他 的球路作點什麼。 而這些是在他沒有把手放在他黏呼呼、溼透的頭髮時所幹的事情。 但這件最棒的部份在於...我有點喜歡投手幹這些有的沒有的事情。 任何類型的投手都會在手裡搞些花樣。從我這種生涯成績爛透的小聯盟投手到明日 之星的Buchholz都一樣會這麼搞。 任何投手都説你要必須想辦法讓球多一點黏性。在我的發言造網路混戰後, Buchholz 想必會自言自語的這麼說吧! 但這並不意味著這就不是在作弊。 我掌握一些來源告訴我, Bubchholz是在左手臂塗上防曬油--即便當天Rogers Centre 的屋頂關閉不會曬到太陽。他將防曬油混合止滑粉。或許你不知道, 汗水、止滑粉和防曬 油混合後, 就是信手拈來的假牙黏著劑, 不是Crisco, Bardol 或是Vagisil(1989年電影 大聯盟的梗), 但必要時卻相當有用。 ****1989年大聯盟影片梗**** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdjgdb-OxY8
諷刺的是, 去年我才寫過一篇文章為Jose Valverde可能在投口水球的狀況, 出言辯 護, 但卻被大家罵得狗血淋頭。Valverde可不像在特寫鏡頭下抹手指的Buchholz那樣作得 那麼明顯, 大家便說我是站在邪惡的一方。 現在明明有確切的特寫鏡頭說有人在作弊, 我出言說這是在作弊卻又被罵得狗血淋頭 。 鄉民們, 投手在作犯規的事。有些人在作"明明超過官方限制五哩以外"可接受的事情 。其中一些明顯是赫赫有名的人物--例如Cliff Lee的帽子? 有些人不顧一切作這些規定以外的事情, 會不會只是希望官方趕快出面禁止, 而不是 放任睜隻眼閉隻眼。就像, 有個人明目張膽的用手指塗抹在油呼呼、髒髒的、暗色的手臂 上, 再把手指放到嘴裡舔, 放到黏呼呼的頭髮裡搓呢。 假如你按照棒球規則來看, Buchholz就是在犯規。只是嚴重的程度要看他手上的東西 到底是什麼, 但無論是大是小都是犯規。 唯一讓我覺得Buchholz不是那些嚴重專業作弊的人原因是, 他是明目張膽的在你面前 這麼搞。沒有專業作弊的人會(笨到)犯這種錯。 就像禁止增強表現藥劑(PED)一樣, 我是一個真的相信棒球選手會想辦法作些什麼取得 優勢。我尊重會在找地方塗點什麼或黏些什麼的人。那真的需要靠一些驚人的技巧, 結果 才會真的有效。事實上, 我覺得應該改改這麼講: "如果你沒在作弊, 那是你因為沒在試著 作弊。" 但是別把我和Jack Morris講得那麼不堪, 我們只是從特寫鏡頭看到的事實, 我們都 不覺得我們說的有什麼問題。 我也不會說藍鳥隊不是打得很爛, 尤甚在它明明就打爛透了我不會不承認。 我這樣說也不是想要增加收視率。 我不裝出我是個資深的轉播人員。 我當過一段時間的投手, 瞭解我要投的好一定要想辦法取得些優勢, 我只是點出來有 些人在這麼做。對於我說過的一切, 我不會感到報歉。 只是, 如果你要去舔或是要去塗點什麼? 不要作得那麼明顯, 而且必須要有被公開檢 驗的心裡準備。 http://0rz.tw/kPf0Q Hayhurst on MLB: Buchholz was cheating, but that’s okay Dirk Hayhurst May 3, 2013, 8:48 AM Yesterday, aided by close-up video clearly showing Clay Buchholz going to his arm and wiping his fingers across a foreign-looking substance, I made the statement that he was cheating. I did so because Buchholz’s right pointer and middle fingers went to a glistening, discoloured patch of something more than skin and sweat on his left forearm. Then, with fingers loaded, he coupled them with his thumb, messaged the pairing, licked the remainder, and took hold of the ball. Consequently, I accused him — on television, radio, and print — of foul play. I stand by that statement. Furthermore, I don’t feel a damn bit sorry about it. Oh, I’ve heard all the standard retorts: I’m a career minor-leaguer with crap numbers therefore I don’t know anything about anything. I’m a broadcaster for a team that (at present) stinks, and is lashing out bitterly at a team that beat it. I’m jealous of a pitcher infinitely more talented than myself. I’m desperately reaching for topics since the Blue Jays are such an ugly one. I’m a shameless, headline-grabbing attention whore. Mix in a few death threats for spice and you pretty much have my Twitter feed since yesterday afternoon. *Yawns* Whatever… The fact remains, Buchholz still went to a patch on his arm to get something he obviously used to help him do something with the ball. And this is when he wasn’t sticking his hand in his greasy, dripping hair. But the best part of it all is… I kind of like it. All pitchers have something on their hands. All of them. From a crappy career minor league like me to budding superstar Buchholz. Any baseball pitcher will tell you that you’ve got to get some tack on the ball. Hell, Buchholz said it himself after my accusations lit the Internet on fire. That doesn’t mean it’s not cheating. I had sources telling me that Buchholz was putting sunscreen on his arms — even though the roof at the Rogers Centre was shut — and mixing it with rosin. In case you didn’t know, sweat, rosin, and sunscreen mixed together make a wonderful, on-the-fly form of baseball Fixodent. Try it. It’s no Crisco, Bardol or Vagisil, but it’s good in a pinch. Ironically, I wrote an article about Jose Valverde’s supposed spitter last year, essentially defending it. I got lambasted for taking the side of the wicked, and that was over film much less overt than the film of Buchholz loading his fingers. Now I’m getting lambasted for calling this cheating; cheating when there is solid video evidence to support it. Pitchers break the law, folks. Some do it in the accepted “it’s only five miles over the limit, officer,” way. Some have big enough names that they can get away with it even when it’s plain for all to see – Cliff Lee’s hat, anyone? Some do it recklessly and are just begging to get called out on it. Like, say, a guy who blatantly goes to his greasy, splotchy, discoloured arm and sticks his fingers in his mouth or greasy hair. If you’re following the rules, Buchholz was breaking them. How big or small depends on what was really on his arm. The only thing that really makes me feel like Clay wasn’t up to any seriously devious cheating is that it was so out in front of your face. No pro cheater would make that mistake. Barring performance enhancing drugs, I’m actually a firm believer in trying to get an edge. I respect a little tack and slime here and there. It actually takes an amazing amount of skill to use it effectively. In fact, I think it was for doctoring that the phrase, “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying,” was coined. But, don’t put me or any other former player/broadcasters in a situation to call you out on it because we will. Jack Morris saw the same things I did and he doesn’t feel a damn bit sorry for saying something either. Look, I won’t try and tell you the Blue Jays don’t stink when they obviously do. I won’t try and tell you I’m above a good attention grab. I won’t even act like I’ve been around as long some of my senior player/broadcasting peers. But, I was around long enough to know I needed an edge, and subsequently learn how to spot others who are finding one. And for that, I won’t say I’m sorry. You want to lick and wipe and load up? Be less obvious or deal with the scrutiny. -- In the memory of Roger Keith "Syd" Barrett January 6, 1946 - July 7, 2006 http://0rz.tw/X5eJe I know where Syd Barrett lives -- Television Personalities -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.126.42.1
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看到ID 先推再看文章XD
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※ 編輯: RogerWaters 來自: 59.126.42.1 (05/05 18:07)
噓
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喔是喔?
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推推
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推用心翻譯
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噓
05/05 18:12, , 5F
老實說要這樣講的話 作弊的定義也太廣了
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翻譯補推~~
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求糕狀物的圖!!
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但我還是覺得八扣子有那麼實力在
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筆電王快噴回他!!Round3 Ready!
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貼錯了，http://tinyurl.com/ctxdwx9 才對
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果真戰力十足 XD
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http://tinyurl.com/cn2xpbm 球的尾勁沒有變化
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Push!
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push!!
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如果最後證實八扣子沒有.這位仁兄該永遠退出棒球圈
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包含上面被Eckersley嗆得亂七八糟那位
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被幹是應該的 但沒人有權要人家永遠退出吧
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而且事實有沒有塗 現在根本還不知道
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真有抹的話，下一場再用一次吧，搞不好驗了根本不能加尾勁
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05/05 19:38, , 21F
會不會下次先發就爆了
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可是就算下次爆也不完全等於他作弊 他沒爆也不代表沒
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有被罰再說吧
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我怎麼覺得他說的還滿中肯的...
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所以照這邏輯，有的話巴扣子要永久退出嗎?
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05/05 19:46, , 26F
要他退出的點在於他傷害了棒球.這種舉動不會比簽賭輕到哪去
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假設是假的.八扣子沒錯.那就是被扣屎盆子
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在對手不提出抗議的情形下沒人能還他公道
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偏偏現在沒人去對巴扣子的投球做申述.只敢在場外打嘴砲
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這舉動超級孬
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要馬就當場抗議.有就直接送八扣子禁賽....
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05/05 19:49, , 32F
在場外打嘴砲.誰能出來主持公道.還不是讓看雖聯盟的看笑話
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偏偏發表這言論的只是"球評".誰能拿他有皮條
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那頂多是抹黑一些球員而已 沒有傷害棒球吧
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抹黑球員還不叫傷害棒球-.-你的容忍度真高...
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這種胡亂指控的事情 又不僅限於棒球圈 哪來這麼嚴重
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到時候就被抹黑的球員告他 賠一筆錢而已 不就如此?
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作弊打假球.原來很輕...上面直接拿來跟嗑ped相提並論了...
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還有 132 則推文
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八寇斯加油 下一場用實力證明自己
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沒有人"證明"他是有罪的阿 球評的話本來就只是說法
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就跟名嘴差不多(影響力也跟某人說的差不多)
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唯一比名嘴好的至少他還是有這方面的專業
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信者恆信 不信者恆不信 唯一能做些事來證明的只有聯盟和
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對手而已
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總之同意Atropos0723
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推他 我不認為Buchholz有這麼強 黑黑
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想買新筆電了?
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推這篇啦 八扣子筆電神倫 有案底的 被懷疑理所當然
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道德有瑕疵的人 會被懷疑也不意外
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不過八扣子以前跟AV女優交往過，又作案過
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真是精彩人生
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基迷見獵心喜出籠囉
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對於一個偷竊犯~~你還期望他多正值? 真的很好笑
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就好比014還有人支持一樣
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把“假牙黏著劑”塗胳膊上事後怎麼清理﹖
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這也能扯政治
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那裡應該只是在酸...
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總版一堆人還不是看到NYY的黑影就開槍
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連這又要扯NYY也很有趣 總版應該是反NYY的人多吧....
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總板是反襪板 襪板才是反NYY板
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自從05年之後NYY的台灣球迷暴增 不然04年是一面倒反NYY
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大概就是乾淨清新的現在NBA版吧
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推用心翻譯
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酸葡萄 不意外
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就事論事給推
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明天眾所期待的一場 巴扣子主場對雙城 大家都會盯著他
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有證據再說 只有嘴砲不值一推
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"it’s only five miles over the limit, officer"是比喻
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超速被抓時的藉口，我只超速了一點點，別罰我吧！警官！
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話說其實他是球評, 他很難找到證據的... 雖然是按圖說故事
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就看下一場有沒有對手要求主審檢查了...
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不過他至少非常清楚說出了他為甚麼會質疑八扣子...但就這樣
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離說八扣子是作弊還有段距離啦...
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噓
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無聊
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感覺還滿有聊的 ~.~/
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台灣人對於就事論事還真的嚴格 XD
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水喔
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mo那才是真正的看圖說故事 破綻百出還說得跟真的一樣
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