Re: [討論]還給Cano跟Melky Cabrera一個公道

看板MLB (美國職棒/大聯盟)作者時間12年前 (2013/06/19 12:09), 編輯推噓14(14019)
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Active Leaders & Records for WAR Position Players Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR Bats 1. Alex Rodriguez (19, 37) 115.5 R 2. Albert Pujols (13, 33) 92.8 R 3. Derek Jeter (18, 39) 72.3 R Manny Ramirez (19) 69.1 R 4. Adrian Beltre (16, 34) 67.1 R 5. Carlos Beltran (16, 36) 66.4 B 6. Todd Helton (17, 39) 61.2 L 7. Ichiro Suzuki (13, 39) 57.9 L 8. Chase Utley (11, 34) 56.2 L 9. Lance Berkman (15, 37) 52.4 B 10. Jason Giambi (19, 42) 51.7 L 11. Miguel Cabrera (11, 30) 51.3 R 12. Torii Hunter (17, 37) 48.4 R 13. Mark Teixeira (11, 33) 47.6 B 14. Miguel Tejada (16, 39) 46.6 R 15. David Wright (10, 30) 44.5 R 16. Jimmy Rollins (14, 34) 42.4 B 17. Joe Mauer (10, 30) 41.9 L 18. David Ortiz (17, 37) 41.3 L 19. Placido Polanco (16, 37)40.6 R 20. Robinson Cano (9, 30) 40.2 L 21. Rafael Furcal (13, 35) 39.3 B 22. Matt Holliday (10, 33) 38.0 R 23. Eric Chavez (16, 35) 37.5 L 24. Carl Crawford (12, 31) 37.2 L 25. Ryan Braun (7, 29) 35.2 R 26. Dustin Pedroia (8, 29) 35.0 R 27. Curtis Granderson(10, 32) 34.2 L 28. Evan Longoria (6, 27) 33.1 R 29. Kevin Youkilis (10, 34) 32.6 R 30. Ian Kinsler (8, 31) 32.0 R 31. Ryan Zimmerman (9, 28) 31.5 R 32. Jose Reyes (11, 30) 31.3 B 33. Adrian Gonzalez (10, 31) 31.2 L 34. Mark Ellis (11, 36) 31.1 R 35. Joey Votto (7, 29) 30.9 L 36. Troy Tulowitzki (8, 28) 30.6 R 37. Aramis Ramirez (16, 35) 30.1 R 38. Vernon Wells (15, 34) 29.6 R 39. Paul Konerko (17, 37) 28.9 R 40. Ben Zobrist (8, 32) 28.7 B 41. Brian Roberts (13, 35) 28.4 B 42. Alex Rios (10, 32) 28.0 R 43. Hanley Ramirez (9, 29) 27.1 R 44. Coco Crisp (12, 33) 26.7 B 45. Alfonso Soriano (15, 37) 26.6 R 46. Victor Martinez (11, 34) 26.2 B Carlos Pena (13, 35) 26.2 L 48. Shane Victorino (10, 32) 26.0 B 49. Travis Hafner (12, 36) 25.5 L 50. Michael Young (14, 36) 24.9 R 51. Josh Hamilton (7, 32) 24.6 L Nick Markakis (8, 29) 24.6 L 53. Jason Bay (11, 34) 24.3 R 54. Jhonny Peralta (11, 31) 24.1 R 55. Aaron Hill (9, 31) 24.0 R Yadier Molina (10, 30) 24.0 R Brandon Phillips (12, 32) 24.0 R 58. Prince Fielder (9, 29) 23.4 L 59. A.J. Pierzynski (16, 36) 23.3 L 60. Shin-Soo Choo (9, 30) 23.1 L 61. Russell Martin (8, 30) 22.9 R 62. Mark Kotsay (17, 37) 22.6 L 63. Justin Morneau (11, 32) 22.4 L Jayson Werth (11, 34) 22.4 R 65. David DeJesus (11, 33) 22.3 L Marco Scutaro (12, 37) 22.3 R 67. Brian McCann (9, 29) 22.2 L Hunter Pence (7, 30) 22.2 R 69. Andrew McCutchen (5, 26) 22.1 R 70. J.J. Hardy (9, 30) 22.0 R 71. Nick Swisher (10, 32) 21.9 B 72. Ramon Hernandez (15, 37) 21.8 R 73. Howie Kendrick (8, 29) 21.4 R 74. Jose Bautista (10, 32) 21.3 R 75. Michael Bourn (8, 30) 21.1 L 76. Yunel Escobar (7, 30) 20.9 R 77. Raul Ibanez (18, 41) 20.5 L 78. Alex Gordon (7, 29) 20.4 L 79. Dan Uggla (8, 33) 20.1 R 80. Mike Napoli (8, 31) 19.4 R 81. Matt Kemp (8, 28) 19.3 R 82. Asdrubal Cabrera (7, 27) 19.2 B 83. Brandon Inge (13, 36) 19.0 R 84. Ryan Howard (10, 33) 18.8 L 85. Carlos Gonzalez (6, 27) 18.6 L 86. Brett Gardner (6, 29) 17.8 L 87. Juan Pierre (14, 35) 17.7 L 88. Josh Willingham (10, 34) 17.6 R 89. Denard Span (6, 29) 17.4 L 90. Jamey Carroll (12, 39) 17.3 R Adam Jones (8, 27) 17.3 R 92. Marlon Byrd (12, 35) 17.2 R Jacoby Ellsbury (7, 29) 17.2 L 94. Lyle Overbay (13, 36) 17.0 L 95. Andre Ethier (8, 31) 16.9 L Omar Infante (12, 31) 16.9 R 97. Alexei Ramirez (6, 31) 16.7 R 98. Austin Jackson (4, 26) 16.5 R Kelly Johnson (8, 31) 16.5 L 100. Carlos Ruiz (8, 34) 16.1 R Melky Cabrera (8, 28) 15.0 Chien-Ming Wang(8, 33) 13.7 Hung-Chih Kuo(7, 31) 4.7 -- 照這樣看Cano應該是有很大的機會進HOF,純好奇是當初為啥會被說suck, 單季最爛OPS還有0.715 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 49.159.60.115

06/19 12:18, , 1F
Cano最爛明明是08
06/19 12:18, 1F

06/19 12:18, , 2F
當年他就是個身體素質沒問題可是技術問題一堆的非頂尖
06/19 12:18, 2F
tks 已修正 ※ 編輯: poplc 來自: 49.159.60.115 (06/19 12:19)

06/19 12:19, , 3F
新秀 結果後來技術長出來後就變無敵
06/19 12:19, 3F

06/19 12:21, , 4F
Evan Longoria打6年也才27阿
06/19 12:21, 4F

06/19 12:24, , 5F
你要對一個 球來就打的人有多高評價....?
06/19 12:24, 5F

06/19 12:24, , 6F
防守也是問題
06/19 12:24, 6F

06/19 12:26, , 7F
他的問題是被拿來跟Rogers Hornsby相提並論吧
06/19 12:26, 7F

06/19 12:34, , 8F
樓上說的也是原因之一
06/19 12:34, 8F

06/19 12:35, , 9F
這名單真的是每個都認識耶
06/19 12:35, 9F

06/19 12:38, , 10F
樓上都認識的話可以幫我要個簽名球嗎?
06/19 12:38, 10F

06/19 12:39, , 11F
當初嫌他選球不佳愛亂揮 他就長出選球眼 嫌他防守不好 結
06/19 12:39, 11F

06/19 12:39, , 12F
果現在也拿了兩個GG 最後變得沒什麼好嫌的了
06/19 12:39, 12F

06/19 12:42, , 13F
咦樓上的話讓我想起某位球員....
06/19 12:42, 13F

06/19 12:54, , 14F
Cano沒有出太大問題一定會進的啊..
06/19 12:54, 14F

06/19 12:58, , 15F
他那個不叫選球眼,叫做沒球打-_-
06/19 12:58, 15F

06/19 12:59, , 16F
他現在只能說機會很高,還不到一定,你看二壘手的生涯曲
06/19 12:59, 16F

06/19 12:59, , 17F
線,30初是個大關卡,Utley跟Biggio都落差很大
06/19 12:59, 17F

06/19 13:01, , 18F
Utley 29之前儼然是史上最強二壘手,之後大概沒機會了
06/19 13:01, 18F

06/19 13:02, , 19F
越是需要活動力的位置生涯越難長,像Jeter大概也是30+才
06/19 13:02, 19F

06/19 13:02, , 20F
能斷定他穩進
06/19 13:02, 20F

06/19 13:04, , 21F
30歲似乎是普遍上認為運動員體能開始下滑的年紀?
06/19 13:04, 21F

06/19 13:06, , 22F
應該還沒那麼快 32歲左右應該算分水嶺
06/19 13:06, 22F

06/19 13:07, , 23F
沒看過這方面的統計 不過大多數應該是32左右沒錯
06/19 13:07, 23F

06/19 13:13, , 24F
看位子吧
06/19 13:13, 24F

06/19 13:14, , 25F
不過棒球已經算是可以打比較久的運動了
06/19 13:14, 25F

06/19 13:16, , 26F
老磨牙表示:那只是統計數據
06/19 13:16, 26F

06/19 13:49, , 27F
打者會受到動態視力下滑等影響
06/19 13:49, 27F

06/19 17:26, , 28F
其實Cano還是很會揮壞球啊
06/19 17:26, 28F

06/19 19:08, , 29F
從菜鳥後每年成績也離suck的程度還很遠 為啥會被suck呢
06/19 19:08, 29F

06/19 20:54, , 30F
因為CCLu認為 沒守備+不選球=suck
06/19 20:54, 30F

06/19 22:17, , 31F
其實 CCLu 講那話應該是氣話比較多啦, 人家是 die-hard
06/19 22:17, 31F

06/19 22:18, , 32F
Yankee, 好不容易滾了 Soriano 下一個卻還是不成材當然會
06/19 22:18, 32F

06/19 22:19, , 33F
情緒化, 有點愛之深責之切的感覺
06/19 22:19, 33F
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