[討論] Thuner可能的變陣 from NewsOK

看板Spurs (聖安東尼奧 馬刺)作者 (keepstudying)時間12年前 (2014/05/31 13:44), 12年前編輯推噓19(19028)
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馬刺在Game 5取得關鍵勝利 也讓Oklahoma地區報紙擔憂是否Thunder本季走不過這一輪 因此開始撰文建議Thunder教練可能的變陣方式 而Thunder在Game 5的失利,的確是有促力促使Thunder教頭思考改變陣容 尤其是馬刺打了一穩固(Duncan or Splitter)一活躍內線(Bonner or Diaw) 刻意將禁區擁擠空間清出 我就針對Oklahoma News寫的建議稍微翻譯如下 大家可以討論看看若真得打出這樣的變陣,對馬刺的影響有多少 From http://newsok.com/article/4869376?slideout=1 以下是Oklahoma News給Thunder的三點建議(這不是給Spurs的建議,別搞錯 :)) 1. Play a small lineup with Ibaka at center. Brooks often uses a lineup with Durant at power forward. But in the 71/2 minutes Brooks used the small lineup in Game 5, he always had Kendrick Perkins or Steven Adams in the game. But if Ibaka is the center, he would be on Tim Duncan, not chasing anyone past the 3-point line and thus positioned to better protect the paint. 扼要翻譯:Thunder改打一大四小,一大是Ibaka。 讓這樣的陣容對上馬刺一假性內線陣容(Diaw或Bonner),直接讓Ibaka守Duncan 而非被拉出禁區追在三分線遊走的Diaw或Bonner,會比較有效保護禁區。 Such a lineup puts some stress on Durant, who would have to deal with the burly and creative Diaw in the post, but Durant’s interior defense has shown itself to get better the longer the game goes. He’s guarded Marc Gasol and DeAndre Jordan for stretches of these playoffs. Don’t be scared of Boris Diaw. 這樣的改變會防守壓力放在Durant 因為他必須對上壯碩且極富創造力的Diaw,但這篇文章認為Durant經過前兩輪挑戰 本身在防守上已有進展。而最後一句則強調:不要害怕肥Diaw XDDDD Heck, such a move could have residual benefits. Durant might save some energy, not chasing a perimeter around screens for 20 seconds a possession. 這樣的改變也會讓Durant保留體力 不需要每一回合都花20秒在閃躲馬刺掩護並追逐馬刺外線或切入者 2. Bring back Sefolosha from exile. Not to start, but to guard Manu Ginobili off the bench. The Thunder is having a terrible time defending Ginobili, who absolutely torched Jackson in a 51/2-minute span of Game 5’s second quarter, with nine points on 4-of-4 shooting. That’s when the game got away from the Thunder. When he was benched, Thabo was in a defensive slump as well as an offensive slump. I don’t know if Sefolosha can slow down Ginobili. But I’d find out. 簡單講:Manu在這一輪讓Thunder付出不少代價,Oklahoma News建議把Sefolosha 放回,但並非放在先發,而是專職對付Manu。 3. Play Russell Westbrook more. 更拉長Westbrook在場上時間,Westbrook在這一輪精力充沛,Oklahoma News 建議乾脆讓他打滿全場,因為Westbrook可能是對馬刺最具威脅的角色。 另外,當Thunder沒有雙星或僅剩單星在場上時,往往也是被馬刺超越或拉開比分 的時刻,因此Oklahoma News建議:讓雙星都幾乎打滿全場吧~ OK,討論吧 :) 至於裁判因素,既然我們都只能被動等待裁判表現,那討論裁判也沒多大效益了 :)

05/31 13:56, , 1F
1大4小只要擺TD+Diaw/波妞,對方丟分效率比得分快吧XD
05/31 13:56, 1F

05/31 13:59, , 2F
或者同時擺雙砲塔在三分線,18K一定會被拉出來
05/31 13:59, 2F

05/31 14:00, , 3F
就前幾場來說Ibaka在ㄧ對ㄧ時的威脅性比他協防時差很多
05/31 14:00, 3F

05/31 14:00, , 4F
而且雷霆這樣根本沒解決三分被射爆的問題 ㄧ大四小假
05/31 14:00, 4F

05/31 14:00, , 5F
如雷霆這樣守的話 希望可愛可以把他們吃爆加趴車中距
05/31 14:00, 5F

05/31 14:00, , 6F
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05/31 14:02, , 7F
對於Diaw的描述,原本burly是壯碩的意思,但我私自改
05/31 14:02, 7F

05/31 14:02, , 8F
為狡猾 XDD 後來我還是改回壯碩符合原文
05/31 14:02, 8F

05/31 14:06, , 9F
馬刺五場的三分命中分別為53%, 40%, 39%, 33%, 50%
05/31 14:06, 9F

05/31 14:06, , 10F
也許對方就是想賭馬刺Game 6的三分只能平盤,沒爆發
05/31 14:06, 10F

05/31 14:10, , 11F
覺得防守尺度還是關鍵(ref..),諸將準度受其影響很大
05/31 14:10, 11F

05/31 14:12, , 12F
我有問題,假如TD做高位檔拆禁區不就比之前更空,對雷
05/31 14:12, 12F

05/31 14:12, , 13F
霆有幫助嗎?不會反而馬刺空間更大?而且Diaw是可以打
05/31 14:12, 13F

05/31 14:12, , 14F
低位的他跟TD的配合可能會是ㄧ個點?
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05/31 14:12, , 15F
小的無知大家多指教
05/31 14:12, 15F

05/31 14:17, , 16F
TD在低位威脅性還是比較大的
05/31 14:17, 16F

05/31 14:17, , 17F
雷霆如果真的打一大四小個人覺得進攻端就真的想盡辦法操KD
05/31 14:17, 17F

05/31 14:18, , 18F
一大四小POPO幾乎每年都在玩 而且雷霆一大擺上以巴卡
05/31 14:18, 18F

05/31 14:19, , 19F
了,即使讓可愛犧牲打也值得,換來的是Westbrook的單兵作
05/31 14:19, 19F

05/31 14:19, , 20F
高位放TD的中距離阿 G3G4 TD 幾乎都不敢投吧
05/31 14:19, 20F

05/31 14:19, , 21F
戰,會覺得這是比較可以掌控的局面....
05/31 14:19, 21F

05/31 14:19, , 22F
才有辦法再進攻端打出威脅性 其他內線上來沒什麼火力
05/31 14:19, 22F

05/31 14:21, , 23F
西河如果真能打全場 我想大家應該都很高興吧XDD
05/31 14:21, 23F

05/31 14:22, , 24F
其實以數據跟比賽內容,我單純覺得馬刺並無法完全壓
05/31 14:22, 24F

05/31 14:22, , 25F
不過想必G6的雷霆主場,Adams的掩護勢必會是一個馬刺在防
05/31 14:22, 25F

05/31 14:22, , 26F
守上要想辦法克服的一個點....
05/31 14:22, 26F

05/31 14:22, , 27F
住雙星任何一支,KD其實一直都很穩,除了Game 2外
05/31 14:22, 27F
※ 編輯: keepstudying (60.245.65.130), 05/31/2014 14:36:45

05/31 14:38, , 28F
想像Diaw與Bonner互相擋拆戲弄18K的光景..XD
05/31 14:38, 28F

05/31 14:56, , 29F
放Lamb先發把Bulter放在開特力吧
05/31 14:56, 29F

05/31 15:05, , 30F
記得2012年一開始是Ibaka守TD, 後面才變臭臉
05/31 15:05, 30F

05/31 15:07, , 31F
Ibaka強項在補防,單防TD效果2012應該用過了
05/31 15:07, 31F

05/31 16:56, , 32F
客場還是別太期待外線能多好,昨天Bonner開局先發也沒啥
05/31 16:56, 32F

05/31 16:56, , 33F
效果,防守先出漏洞,是Diaw和Manu上來才開始把比分逆轉
05/31 16:56, 33F

05/31 17:00, , 34F
第三節波波就直接啟用Diaw和TD的禁區
05/31 17:00, 34F

05/31 17:35, , 35F
Diaw不可能用整場 Bonner得用
05/31 17:35, 35F

05/31 17:44, , 36F
在戰術上有辦法利用TD掩護讓Diaw錯位上對到Ibaka嗎?
05/31 17:44, 36F

05/31 17:45, , 37F
還是只能跟外圍交互掩護把Ibaka拉出來?y
05/31 17:45, 37F

05/31 18:03, , 38F
還有忍者龜要起犯來也是不下圓仔的
05/31 18:03, 38F

05/31 18:16, , 39F
上一場,守忍者龜似乎是放投不放切,跟去年守LBJ同策略
05/31 18:16, 39F

05/31 21:40, , 40F
不好意思 沒有看G5 想問一下 說我們破解Ibaka 是用屌爺或
05/31 21:40, 40F

05/31 21:41, , 41F
賣拔樂把Ibaka拉出去 另一個長人(TD or 指叉)就在裡面爽
05/31 21:41, 41F

05/31 21:43, , 42F
爽打 或是 parker/manu爽切 但是對面怎麼不讓臭臉或是
05/31 21:43, 42F

05/31 21:43, , 43F
Adams跟出來 讓Ibaka留在裡面呢?
05/31 21:43, 43F

05/31 21:51, , 44F
怕的是以巴卡的第二線補防 臭臉防線這幾位都有能力突破
05/31 21:51, 44F

05/31 21:52, , 45F
以巴卡強是強在他在球出手之後 追上去對球的防守能力
05/31 21:52, 45F

05/31 22:20, , 46F
臭臉Adams跟出來.pick之後馬刺選澤的傳球點更多..TP練習投籃
05/31 22:20, 46F

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