Re: [問題] Froome與阿姆斯壯的環法比較

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既然有人提到了Armstrong，版友可以趁這個機會從多個面向去了解這個傢伙! http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/31072462 首先這個2015年初的訪問，面對BBC的Dan Roan的問題...如果時光倒流，你還要不要作弊，Armstrong 的回答是"probably do it again."! 這段歷史的故事非常特別(尤其是道德上的兩難), 分享一下跟Armstrong相關的紀錄片, 可以幫助麻瓜入場首先是 Stop At Nothing The Lance Armstrong Story 另外一部是導過紀錄片Taxi to the dark side的名導演 Alex Gibney 的 The Armstrong Lie 以上這兩部Youtube都可以找到品質較差的版本其中我比較推Stop At Nothing The Lance Armstrong Story 裏頭有幾個主角的故事非常令人著迷, 分別是 1. Christophe Bassons, 一個不願意跟大家一起使用禁藥的車手, 結果被Armstrong 跟集團大部分車手公幹，大家可以去查wiki，衰翻了! 2. Greg Lemond, 三度環法冠軍, 在Armstrong前唯一拿到環法冠軍的美國人, 甘冒大不韙? 主流媒體，懷疑Armstrong作弊, 結果被Armstrong的贊助廠商Trek惡搞, 而且還被抹黑成個忌妒Armstrong的魯蛇! 3. Betsy Andreu, Armstrong隊友 Frankie Andreu 的老婆, 因為夫婦倆在聽證會上被迫做出不利於Armstrong的證詞, 導致老公被Armstrong惡搞,這強悍的女子就大爆炸開始在媒體上跟Armstrong進行長時間的對抗被Armstrong惡搞到出名的還有 Emma O'Reilly、Filippo Simeoni跟一些質疑Armstrong作弊的記者，例如Dave Walsh等... 在那個年代用藥跟EPO都是普遍的現象，如今大部分的人厭惡Armstrong 並不在他的用藥，而是如何霸凌、抹黑別人跟極差的人品... 最後附上這個影片 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVbrTNX7w1I

背景故事在 Filippo Simeoni wiki 有介紹 More famous is Simeoni's argument with Lance Armstrong. Simeoni was treated by doctor Michele Ferrari, who was also Armstrong's doctor. Simeoni testified in court that he began doping in 1993, that Dr. Ferrari had prescribed him doping products such as EPO and Human Growth Hormone in 1996 and 1997, and that Ferrari also gave him instructions on how to use these products.[3] In 2001 and 2002 Simeoni was suspended for several months for doping use. Armstrong reportedly called Simeoni a "liar" in an interview with the French newspaper Le Monde in July 2003. Simeoni lodged a charge of defamation against Armstrong and demanded €100,000. Simeoni announced that he would give any money awarded to him to charity. Simeoni上法院作證自己接受了Dr. Ferrari的指導如何用藥跟使用EPO (Dr. Ferrari 湊巧也是Armstrong的藥頭)，所以搞得Armstrong超級不爽... On the 18th stage of the 2004 edition of the Tour de France, Simeoni gapped up to a breakaway of six riders that posed no threat to Armstrong's leading position. Nevertheless, Armstrong followed Simeoni, which prompted Armstrong's rival T-Mobile Team to try to catch the breakaway. This would not only catch Simeoni but also eliminate the stage winning chances of the six riders in the original breakaway. The six riders implored Armstrong to drop back to the peloton, but Armstrong would not go unless Simeoni went with him and the two riders dropped back to the peloton.[4] When Simeoni dropped back, he was abused by other riders, including Andrea Peron, Filippo Pozzato and Giuseppe Guerini. In a later interview, he told of how Daniele Nardello also abused him, calling him "a disgrace".[5] Afterwards, Armstrong made a "zip-the-lips" gesture but later said that Simeoni "did not deserve" to win a stage. Two days later was the final stage, which is usually a slow stage in which the Tour winner (in 2004 it was Armstrong) already celebrates his victory. But in this stage Simeoni continuously attacked, to take revenge for what Armstrong did three days before, but was reeled in every time by Armstrong's team.[6] Simeoni was again insulted and spat at by other riders after this. 以上是Simeoni被惡搞的過程~ ps.我自己認為 Armstrong的好勝心在車手中並不特別，但行銷跟雞掰的能力卻是 Top 1，這點歷史會給他公道的! ※ 引述《Boonen (Tommeke)》之銘言： : 標題: [問題] Froome與阿姆斯壯的環法比較 : 時間: Thu Jul 21 17:53:05 2016 : : : 這邊先不討論用藥的道德問題, : 阿姆斯壯在環法七連霸上的表現與 Froome這幾年, 比較起來有什麼特別的差異點嗎? : : 壯哥在威的時候我才國小, 只知道那時候新聞都會說環法根本是 Tour de Lance : (Lance Armstrong) : 他的個人能力強項是在哪邊? 他當時的隊友又是如何呢? : : Froome除了個人爬坡能力, 再加上這屆的下坡能力跟衝刺能力, 感覺更全面了 : 還有 Team Sky 到處蒐集 GC 車手組成的夢幻隊伍 : : 有沒有老車迷可以分析比較一下的? : : -- : ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 2.50.23.96 : ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/bicycle/M.1469094787.A.038.html : 推 taiwangayu : 不知道有沒有記錯壯哥是開啟高迴轉時代的人(?) 07/21 17: 55 : 推 Adonisy : 福哥有天空高山車隊護航 07/21 18: 11 : → Adonisy : 天空車隊利益分配還是不錯的 07/21 18: 12 : 進階一點問, 或許我們也可以期待 Froome接下來幾年持續稱霸環法賽場? : ※ 編輯: Boonen (2.50.23.96), 07/21/2016 18:21:34 : 推 andrew3011 : 壯哥很明顯看的出個人奪勝意志很強烈 07/21 18: 22 : → andrew3011 : 去看youtube影片還有被遊客背包勾到或摔車 07/21 18: 23 : → andrew3011 : 都能馬上爬起來衝 07/21 18: 23 : 推 HHHHOOOO : 壯哥是個人能力的展現，美國英雄主義的實現，其實 07/21 18: 35 : → HHHHOOOO : 時期很無聊 07/21 18: 35 : → HHHHOOOO : 到禁藥風波之後，大家比較回到正常人了，比賽好看多 07/21 18: 36 : 推 LeoWu : 外星人穿卡鞋跑步所展現出來的求勝意志，我認為無人 07/21 18: 38 : → LeoWu : 能出其右了。XD 07/21 18: 38 : 推 Niubert : 壯哥走歪了一樣斜切草皮接回主集團 07/21 19: 16 : 推 CcccBon : 電影「是誰在造神」拍的感覺是完全靠禁藥，吃禁藥前 07/21 19: 23 : → CcccBon : 成績中等 07/21 19: 23 : 推 jyunwei : 請問跑到終點車隊再送車過去有算嗎？ 07/21 20: 05 : 推 skyzero0819 : UCI公路賽規則人車要一起抵達終點才算數 07/21 22: 03 : → BLABLA007 : 阿姆斯壯的地位跟NBA的MJ一樣阿 07/21 22: 06 : → BLABLA007 : 把該項運動推廣到全世界的世界級選手 07/21 22: 07 : → BLABLA007 : Froome的地位就像現在NBA的LBJ一樣 07/21 22: 07 : → demo68 : 自己吃禁藥,還要隊員陪他一起吃禁藥的人 07/21 23: 51 : 推 ddar : 不要這樣，你吃藥，他也吃藥呀～一起吃藥，就公平了 07/22 00: 06 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 218.161.47.150 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/bicycle/M.1469124952.A.216.html ※ 編輯: rivet (218.161.47.150), 07/22/2016 02:19:53