[外電] Chien-Ming Wang, Occasional Ace

看板CMWang (王建民 - 大樹哥)作者 (uni~uni~uni~daisuki~!!)時間18年前 (2007/09/02 09:57), 編輯推噓19(19026)
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新聞來源: http://www.observer.com/2007/chien-ming-wang-occasional-ace?page=0%2C1 Wang was victimized by a .366 BABIP in August entering today’s game, and had a 5.46 ERA for the month as a result. His career BABIP mark of .291 has yielded a career ERA of 3.83. The problem is that BABIP is not a repeatable skill. Pitchers as skilled as Pedro Martinez in his prime have seen BABIP go from .325 in 1999 to .217 in 2000. Pedro, however, took the spinning of the roulette wheel out of his results often, striking out 313 in 213 innings in 1999, while walking just 37. He was able to minimize the damage luck could deal him. Contrast that with recent Yankee Aaron Small, whose strikeout rate of 4.25 over two seasons in New York bests Wang’s career mark. Small held batters to a .277 BABIP in his magical 2005 season, overcoming a strikeout rate of just 4.38 to post a 10-0 record and 3.20 ERA. In 2006, with a strikeout rate of four per nine (but a BABIP that jumped to .388), Small posted an 8.46 ERA. This is not to say that Wang’s performance will fluctuate as much as Small’ s did (for one thing, Wang’s walk rate remains steady, while Small’s did not). But pitchers on the low end of the strikeout spectrum are extremely vulnerable to the variables of baseball luck. Wang also may not be so lucky with the home run ball, despite his ground ball tendencies. He’s allowed seven long balls in his 166 1/3 innings this season. But Seattle’s Felix Hernandez, whose groundball/fly ball ratio is slightly better than Wang’s, has given up 17 homers in 150 innings. Even Cleveland’s Fausto Carmona, whose 3.33 ground balls for each fly ball is significantly better than Wang’s 2.62, has allowed 14 long balls in 173 2/3 innings. Home run rate also fluctuates from year to year, regardless of the pitcher. Brandon Webb, who throws a sinker as his main pitch as well, allowed 21 home runs in 2005, 10 this year. Bruce Sutter, whose sinking action on his pitches put him in the Hall of Fame, allowed 10 home runs in 101 1/3 innings in 1978, then just 3 in 99 innings in 1979. And Sutter struck out well over a better per inning in both seasons, meaning he had far fewer balls in play that could leave the park than Wang does. So the next time Ching-Mien Wang pitches, bring your rabbit’s foot to Yankee Stadium. Rub Freddy Sez’s four-leaf clover for luck. And if you don’t see batters swinging and missing much, hope the energetic Yankee hitters can come to the rescue. --- 這篇寫得很不專業 看完了但不太想翻 XD 這篇文章下面有九篇comment 幾乎都是"totally disagree (with this article)" 有興趣的可以連到原文網址看一下 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.141.41.90

09/02 09:59, , 1F
根本是來嗆的 看最後一段 commemt裡有人要他公開道歉了
09/02 09:59, 1F

09/02 10:00, , 2F
法西斯戰puma 王板戰ace
09/02 10:00, 2F

09/02 10:01, , 3F
更好笑的是東森新聞 "王建民為何這麼好 美知名刊物告訴你"
09/02 10:01, 3F

09/02 10:02, , 4F
就是引用這篇,記者可能英文很差吧
09/02 10:02, 4F

09/02 10:09, , 5F
pitchers on the low end of the strikeout spectrum
09/02 10:09, 5F

09/02 10:09, , 6F
extremely vulnerable to the variables of baseball luck
09/02 10:09, 6F

09/02 10:11, , 8F
記者看的應該是同一篇
09/02 10:11, 8F

09/02 10:19, , 9F
這篇明明就是在說王是強運才有這樣的成績
09/02 10:19, 9F

09/02 10:31, , 10F
嘿嘿!有一個comment是小弟貢獻的...這個作者實在是太偏頗了
09/02 10:31, 10F

09/02 10:33, , 11F
那作者屁那麼多有啥用 王還是能贏這麼多場啦 他慢慢屁吧
09/02 10:33, 11F

09/02 10:52, , 12F
記者英文重修 ( =_= )
09/02 10:52, 12F

09/02 11:11, , 13F
大概是隔壁板鄉民上去寫的^^
09/02 11:11, 13F

09/02 11:13, , 14F
這種文大概要到王投五六年都很猛才會消失
09/02 11:13, 14F

09/02 11:23, , 15F
其實全壘打的那段是有道理的
09/02 11:23, 15F

09/02 11:23, , 16F
王今年飛球變全壘打的比率低到4.5%..
09/02 11:23, 16F

09/02 11:24, , 17F
實在是蠻誇張的數字
09/02 11:24, 17F

09/02 11:30, , 18F
老實說 我覺得這篇文章還挺中肯的. 他從兩個可能是運氣的
09/02 11:30, 18F

09/02 11:31, , 19F
角度分析,說明王建民的表現有運氣存在。
09/02 11:31, 19F

09/02 11:32, , 20F
這一來提示讀者可以重新檢驗某些數據頭的定見,
09/02 11:32, 20F

09/02 11:32, , 21F
廢文一篇
09/02 11:32, 21F

09/02 11:32, , 22F
也提醒王建民表現的一些指標 (三振率等等) 應該算淺顯易懂
09/02 11:32, 22F

09/02 11:33, , 23F
又合理
09/02 11:33, 23F

09/02 11:33, , 24F
算了, 還是直接翻出來, 讓大家看看我的解讀吧
09/02 11:33, 24F

09/02 11:42, , 25F
這觀點是沒有錯的 要噓也是噓台灣記者亂引用吧
09/02 11:42, 25F

09/02 11:44, , 26F
沒人翻譯外電 記者只好硬上了
09/02 11:44, 26F

09/02 11:53, , 27F
講的並非毫無道理 但是最後的結論實在很刺眼...
09/02 11:53, 27F

09/02 11:59, , 28F
已經有人翻啦 原文一點都不中肯 http://0rz.tw/532YL
09/02 11:59, 28F

09/02 12:08, , 29F
another Wang hater? XDD
09/02 12:08, 29F

09/02 12:37, , 30F
又是K/9...
09/02 12:37, 30F

09/02 12:37, , 31F
寫的有點偏頗.another Wang hater. 隊長季初有說過 球隊打
09/02 12:37, 31F

09/02 12:39, , 32F
球隊打不好就是三個環節無法好好銜接.但是小王出來投就是可
09/02 12:39, 32F

09/02 12:39, , 33F
小王就是可以讓三個環節配合好好的贏球這不是運氣而是
09/02 12:39, 33F

09/02 12:40, , 34F
穩定軍心
09/02 12:40, 34F

09/02 13:12, , 35F
並且他有點仰賴球隊的防守功力(絕非洋基的強項)和很大的運긠
09/02 13:12, 35F

09/02 13:12, , 36F
這句剛好是矛盾,也可以看出小王到底是不是像大家說的運氣
09/02 13:12, 36F

09/02 13:12, , 37F
防守明明就是洋基所不擅長的,失分還能這麼低,到底是小王
09/02 13:12, 37F

09/02 13:14, , 38F
運氣還是小王的實力?
09/02 13:14, 38F

09/02 13:15, , 39F
不過我猜這位應該是最近才注意到小王,因為這類的言論在去
09/02 13:15, 39F

09/02 13:16, , 40F
年早就很常看過了 XD
09/02 13:16, 40F

09/02 13:17, , 41F
(三振率低,所以不是好投手等blahblah)
09/02 13:17, 41F

09/02 14:06, , 42F
下面有幾篇comments寫的很好 都能電死原文了
09/02 14:06, 42F

09/02 14:09, , 43F
王的BABIP都跟平均差不多 去年還比平均高勒
09/02 14:09, 43F

09/02 14:11, , 44F
運氣也是實力的一種....人助自助才是他16勝的原因
09/02 14:11, 44F

09/03 00:35, , 45F
Sutter靠的應該是快叉
09/03 00:35, 45F
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